Re: vision2020-digest Digest V99 #45

[michelle green <gre58@mail.wsu.edu>]

At 11:45 AM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote:
>vision2020-digest Digest				Volume 99 : Issue 45
>
>Today's Topics:
>  Legislative Newsletter from Rep. Tra  [ Tom Trail
<RepTrail@infotrail.com> ]
>  Re: High School bikini contest?       [ "John and Laurie Danahy"
<JDANAHY@t ]
>  Re: gas price article                 [ Erikus4@aol.com ]
>  [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) contest]  [ Benjamin Tassler
<benbum@sprintmail ]
>  Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) cont  [ "Jerry L. Schutz"
<jschutz@moscow.c ]
>  RE: bikini (bathing suit) contest     [ Teresa Miller
<teresah@uidaho.edu> ]
>  [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit  [ Benjamin Tassler
<benbum@sprintmail ]
>  RE: bikini (bathing suit) contest     [ Robert Hoffmann
<escape@alt-escape. ]
>  Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing   [ Robert Hoffmann
<escape@alt-escape. ]
>  Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing   [ Jan Proctor <proc8601@uidaho.edu> ]
>  RE: bikini (bathing suit) contest     [ Mayme Trumble <maymet@moscow.com> ]
>  RE: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing   [ "Tim Hillebrand"
<thillebr@moscow.c ]
>  The Beach                             [ lmelina@moscow.com (Lois Melina) ]
>Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 21:18:49 -0500
>From: Tom Trail <RepTrail@infotrail.com>
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Legislative Newsletter from Rep. Trail, February 28-March 5,
>  1999
>Message-Id: <4.1.19990308211658.0098d560@pop.oh.verio.com >
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>
>Visionaries:
>
>We are headed down the homestretch for the 1999 legislative session.
There is
>one prediction that we'll be out by March 19th.  However, the pundits have
been
>wrong before.
>
>1. HBs 176 and 177 - -Reading Initiative  -- HB 176 is a new set of standards
>for reading by grade level, and testing of all kindergarten through third
grade
>students each fall and spring to see if  the students meet the standards.  HB
>176 passed the House with ease, with only 5 no votes.
>HB 177 -- is an intervention program targeting children who score below grade
>level on the tests with special, intensive summer schools.  There was heated
>debate with this bill which passed 38-24.
>I'm a co-sponsor of 176 and 177 and I will be introducing HB 178 on Monday
>which is a third piece of the package.  HB 178 calls for expanded training in
>research based training skills for both pre-service and in-service
training of
>teachers.  The bills will now move on to the Senate.
>
>2. HCR 20--Study Committee for the Gifted and Talented -- I introduced HCR 20
>on Thursday in the House Education Committee.  The bill passed 14-2.  HCR 20
>calls for the Legislative Council to establish an interim committee to
identify
>alternative sources of funding for gifted and talented programs.  The Idaho
>Legislature in 1992 mandated that all school districts should carry out
gifted
>and talented programs in five talent areas.  Except for funding the
position of
>a state coordinator and $500,000 for training in FY 99, this has been
>essentially an unfunded mandate on local school districts.  About 39 school
>districts have no gifted and talented coordinator.
>
>3. HB 110 -- Victim Identify Theft  -- This bill would make it illegal for
>anyone to commandeer a person's identity through a Social Security number or
>similar personal information.  I'm co-sponsoring this bill with Rep. Randy
>Hansen and the Attorney General's Office.  Victim Identity Theft losses in
1997
>were estimated at $742,000,000.  The bill was passed by the Senate Jud/Rules
>Committee.
>Victim Identity Theft was even prevalent in William Shakespeare's time;
In his
>words:
>
>"Who steals my purse steals trash, 
>'tis something, nothing
>'twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands,
>But he that filches from me my good name, robs me of that which
>not enriches him, and makes me poor indeed."
>(Othello, Act III.)
>
>The Bill now moves on to the Senate floor.
>
>4. HB 143 -- Recycling  --  this bill is set for a hearing in Senate State
>Affairs on March 10th.  I'm co-sponsoring this bill with Sen. Schroeder.  The
>bill would allow state agencies to purchase up to 5% of their paper
>requirements utilizing recycled paper products, and pay up to a 5% premium.
>
>5. Senate Bill 1130  --  Duck Racing  -- Occasionally one finds a bit of
humor
>in legislation.  Rubber duck racing is a popular way to raise money for
>charity.  There has been a $1,000 cap on first prize and the bill would raise
>those limits.
>Frankly, the duck racing bill has sparked the idea of legalizing frog jumping
>contests in Idaho.  The famous author, Mark Twain, wrote about frogs
jumping in
>Calaveras County, California.  Frog racing might not only replacing horse and
>greyhound racing but stimulate the development of French restaurants.  Losing
>frogs could donate their legs to serve as the basis of the frog legs used in
>these dining establishments.  
>
>6. Education Issues and News
>
>a. JFAC -- Joint Finance and Appropriations Committee approved almost
>$1,000,000  for the University of Idaho's new bio-tech building.  The funds
>will pay for costs to  meet state fire code requirements. 
>
>b. HB 278 --This bill would allow school boards to increase the levy to
pay for
>safety repairs to schools.  The legislation does not provide voters the
>opportunity to vote on the levy.  This is an attempt by the Legislature to
>satisfy the State Supreme Court that  we are making "best" efforts to ensure,
>that as outlined by the Idaho State  Constitution, that the Legislature
provide
>students with a safe learning environment.   With more than $500,000,000 of
>schools needed to be built in Idaho, HB 278 is a Band-Aid approach.  In
Arizona
>the Supreme Court found the State was not adequately funding  for safe
schools,
>and ordered the State to come up with $400,000,000.  I'm voting  against
HB 278
>simply because as a Legislature we are not meeting our obligation to  provide
>safe school facilities.
>
>c. Super-majority Proposal Defeated -- Idaho is the only state in the nation
>that requires  two-thirds voter approval for school bond levies without
>providing any state funding for  school buildings.  The Senate State Affairs
>Committee defeated Sen. Schroeder's  proposal for a proposed constitutional
>amendment to reduce the 2/3 voter approval required for school bond levies to
>60% in May or November elections
>
>d. Citizen Advisory Voter Using Sales Tax to Pay for School Facilities --
Sen.
>Schroeder's resolution to hold a statewide advisory vote on increasing the
>sales tax to pay for  school facilities was defeated 8-1 in committee.
>
>e. HB 308 -- Banker's Bill for School Facilities  -- this will come up for a
>vote on the House  floor on March 8th.  The bill would increase the amount of
>money districts could  borrow against property tax levies that require 55% or
>60% voter approval.  If passed  this would essentially mortgage schools,
>increase interest payments, and raise property taxes.  Again, I view this as
>another Band-Aid attempt by the Legislature to  avoid stepping up to the
plate
>and making a major commitment to assist school  districts with school
>facilities.
>
>g. Public School Endowment Fund Earnings for School Facilities -- This bill
>would use 20 percent of the Public School Endowment Fund's earnings to
provide
>money for school buildings.  The bill would generate roughly $20 million a
year
>after it became effective July 1, 2001.  A school district would receive
up to
>20 percent of the total bond levy that its patrons approve.  This bill is
>sponsored by Reps. Chase and Ringo.
>
>7. Campaign Finance Reform -- the House State Affairs Committee endorsed a
bill
>requiring lawmakers to report campaign contributions received during the
>legislative session within 48 hours.  This is a step in the right direction,
>but major reform is still needed.
>
>8. Education Savings Bill Defeated -- The House Tax Committee killed Rep.
>Bruneel's bill to create educational savings accounts.  This would have
allowed
>a parent or relative to put $500 before taxes into an account for the
child to
>use from K-12.
>
>9. Western Primary Bill -- The Senate endorsed legislation authorizing the
>state to participate in the Western regional presidential primary.  This
would
>cost the state about $500,000 which I feel could be used for greater
>priorities.
>
>
>
>
>Rep. Trail, district 5
>
> I would like constituents to e-mail, phone, fax, or write me with their
>ideas, comments and recommendations.  
>
>by phone: (at the House Communications Center)
>
>208-332-1201 or 1000  (phone)
>208-334-5397  (fax)
>
>by email:
>
>Boise daytime:           ttrail@house.state.id.us
>Boise evening:            mjmaxwell@juno.com
>Moscow (weekends):   ttrail@moscow.com
>
>if uncertain, you can send email to RepTrail@infotrail.com and your message
>will be forwarded to me at the proper location.
>
>or by normal mail
>
>Idaho State Legislature,
>State Capitol Bldg
>P.O. Box 83720
>Boise, ID 83720-0038
>
>Legislative newsletters and additional materials and information can be
>located on my web
>and home page http://www.infotrail.com/idaho/idaho.html
>Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:15:57 -0800
>From: "John and Laurie Danahy" <JDANAHY@turbonet.com>
>To: <lmelina@moscow.com>, <lbaird@uidaho.edu>, <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: High School bikini contest?
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>Of course, with the recent council decision, this could be something else
>entirely.
>john
>John and Laurie Danahy
>jdanahy@turbonet.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lois Melina <lmelina@moscow.com>
>To: lbaird@uidaho.edu <lbaird@uidaho.edu>; vision2020@moscow.com
><vision2020@moscow.com>
>Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 5:16 PM
>Subject: Re: High School bikini contest?
>
>
>>My information source (reliable? don't know) says this will feature
>>bikini-clad high schoolers from high schools other than (in addition to?)
>>Moscow, e.g. CdA.
>>
>>But hey, if we leave entertaining our youth up to the private sector,
>>perhaps this is what the market will dictate.
>>
>>Lois Melina
>>----------
>>> From: Lynn Baird <lbaird@belle.lib.uidaho.edu>
>>> To: vision2020@moscow.com
>>> Subject: High School bikini contest?
>>> Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 4:58 PM
>>>
>>> I understand that there's a sign in the window of one of
>>> my "favorite" Moscow establishments, the Beach, that is
>>> proclaiming a "High School Spring Break Bikini contest".
>>>
>>> Nobody was available at the Beach to give me more
>>> information, but I am again disgusted and horrified that
>>> this business is promoting such an unhealthy activity
>>> for the youth of Moscow.
>>>
>>> If someone knows more and this is more innocent than
>>> appears, I hope they will post a clarification.
>>> Otherwise, I hope this serves as a warning to the
>>> community at large. This seems like an incredibly
>>> predatory activity.
>>>
>>> Lynn Baird
>>
>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 01:56:57 EST
>From: Erikus4@aol.com
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Re: gas price article
>Message-ID: <26a61701.36e4c639@aol.com>
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>Just because I ran across it:
>===============================================
>CAMARILLO, Calif. (March 7) - Gasoline prices jumped about half a cent, the
>first price increase since September, thanks to a rise in crude oil prices
and
>a slight tightening of supply, an industry analyst said Sunday.
>
>The weighted average, including all grades and taxes, was $1.0028 per gallon
>Friday, up 0.48 cent from two weeks earlier, according to the Lundberg Survey
>of 10,000 gas stations nationwide.
>
>''If this is a price recovery after about a year and a half of price cutting,
>then it is so far a frail one,'' analyst Trilby Lundberg said.
>
>West Coast prices increased after the Feb. 23 explosion at a Tosco Corp. oil
>refinery in Martinez, Calif., which killed four people and sent gas buyers
>chasing for alternative supplies, she said.
>
>She warned that the tightening of gas supplies might create glut conditions
>prior to the spring driving season.
>
>''We're still weeks away from what the industry calls spring demand, when we
>consume a lot more fuel, but this is the period of time that both society and
>oil industry shift from heating oil to driving supplies for greater demand in
>spring,'' Ms. Lundberg said.
>
>Self-service prices were 94.16 cents for regular, $1.0517 for mid-grade and
>$1.1362 for premium.
>
>Full-service prices were $1.4002 for regular, $1.4915 for mid-grade and
>$1.5662 for premium.
>===============================================
>Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 08:22:40 -0800
>From: Benjamin Tassler <benbum@sprintmail.com>
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) contest]
>Message-ID: <36E54AD0.293C@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------34D95DAA28C9"
>
>"GIVE THE KIDS A BREAK."
>Message-ID: <36E49C9D.33DE@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
>Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 19:59:25 -0800
>From: Benjamin Tassler <benbum@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
>Reply-To: benbum@pop.a001.sprintmail.com
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>To: lbaird@belle.lib.uidaho.edu, donell@moscow.com,
>	cheryll@turbonet.com
>Subject: bikini (bathing suit) contest
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>My dear lbaird,
>  Outside of Moscow it's a big world out there and most reasonable
>people are not horrified that high schoolers could engage in a 
>tame bathing suit contest.
>  Of course, we are aware that there are some people who are so naive
>that they think high schoolers are all innocent virginal morons who
>know nothing, should know nothing and having a bit of harmless fun
>is a travesty.
>  To you, dear lady, I say "GET A LIFE." Hopefully they won't grow
>up to be as straight-laced as you appear to be.I feel sorry for you.
>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:42:18 -0800
>From: "Jerry L. Schutz" <jschutz@moscow.com>
>To: <benbum@sprintmail.com>, <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) contest]
>Message-ID: <000a01be6a4b$cfcf66c0$1df2f5c7@hal2000>
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>Yes, It is a big world outside of Moscow.  That's why many of us have made a
>reasonable decision to live here, in Moscow,  and raise our families, and do
>business.
>
>There is nothing tame about perpetuating the objectifying of women.  Nor is
>there anything right, correct, nor proper about exploiting teenagers in such
>a manner.
>
>You club gives nothing back to this community except fights, DUI's, and the
>occasional Daily News story on a slow day.  Your club has not participated
>nor sponsored any events to benefit this community.  (I do not consider, wet
>t-shirt contests, beer chugging, and all-you-can-drink nights a benefit.)
>
>The example of Mardi Gras is a perfect example of your lack of community
>orientation.  You have not ever been a participating sponsor yet you put up
>that banner calling your bar "Mardi Gras Party Headquarters" at least you
>had the decency to take it down before the event.
>
>Perhaps it is you who should "get a life",  WE HAVE OURS!  And hopefully our
>children won't be as morally bankrupt as you.
>
>Jerry L. Schutz
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Benjamin Tassler <benbum@sprintmail.com>
>To: vision2020@moscow.com <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 8:21 AM
>Subject: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) contest]
>
>
>>"GIVE THE KIDS A BREAK."
>>Outside of Moscow it's a big world out there and most reasonable
>people are not horrified that high schoolers could engage in a
>tame bathing suit contest.
>  Of course, we are aware that there are some people who are so naive
>that they think high schoolers are all innocent virginal morons who
>know nothing, should know nothing and having a bit of harmless fun
>is a travesty.
>To you, dear lady, I say "GET A LIFE." Hopefully they won't grow
>up to be as straight-laced as you appear to be.I feel sorry for you.
>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:03:49 -0800
>From: Teresa Miller <teresah@uidaho.edu>
>To: "'benbum@pop.a001.sprintmail.com'" <benbum@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
>Cc: "'vision2020@moscow.com'" <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: bikini (bathing suit) contest
>Message-ID: <01BE6A0B.BFF2D6A0@PC001247.campus.uidaho.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>
>Hmmm...would you be out there cheering on your high school daughter?
>
>
>Teresa Miller 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Benjamin Tassler [SMTP:benbum@pop.a001.sprintmail.com]
>Sent:	Monday, March 08, 1999 7:59 PM
>To:	lbaird@belle.lib.uidaho.edu; donell@moscow.com; cheryll@turbonet.com
>Subject:	bikini (bathing suit) contest
>
>My dear lbaird,
>  Outside of Moscow it's a big world out there and most reasonable
>people are not horrified that high schoolers could engage in a 
>tame bathing suit contest.
>  Of course, we are aware that there are some people who are so naive
>that they think high schoolers are all innocent virginal morons who
>know nothing, should know nothing and having a bit of harmless fun
>is a travesty.
>  To you, dear lady, I say "GET A LIFE." Hopefully they won't grow
>up to be as straight-laced as you appear to be.I feel sorry for you.
>Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:06:53 -0800
>From: Benjamin Tassler <benbum@sprintmail.com>
>To: vision2020@moscow.com, donell@moscow.com
>Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) contest]]
>Message-ID: <36E5552D.78A6@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------30E79D71B62"
>
>Now, Jerry,
>  You must be a newcomer to Moscow or you would know that we, the
>operators of the Beach, formerly "Xenon" took a an ancient historic
>building which was on the verge of falling down, spent hundreds of
>thousands of dollars on it and built a venue of which any big city would
>be proud.
> You fail to mention the huge sums which were contributed to the Moscow
>economy in the resurrection of this building.
> Our business is ENTERTAINMENT. If giving people access to fun and the
>enjoyment of life is a crime then we plead guilty. You and people like
>you could benefit from joining the majority of people whose opinioon
>differs from yours.
> So I say again to your types--"GET A LIFE" and join the human race.
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>To: <benbum@sprintmail.com>, <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) contest]
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>Yes, It is a big world outside of Moscow.  That's why many of us have made a
>reasonable decision to live here, in Moscow,  and raise our families, and do
>business.
>
>There is nothing tame about perpetuating the objectifying of women.  Nor is
>there anything right, correct, nor proper about exploiting teenagers in such
>a manner.
>
>You club gives nothing back to this community except fights, DUI's, and the
>occasional Daily News story on a slow day.  Your club has not participated
>nor sponsored any events to benefit this community.  (I do not consider, wet
>t-shirt contests, beer chugging, and all-you-can-drink nights a benefit.)
>
>The example of Mardi Gras is a perfect example of your lack of community
>orientation.  You have not ever been a participating sponsor yet you put up
>that banner calling your bar "Mardi Gras Party Headquarters" at least you
>had the decency to take it down before the event.
>
>Perhaps it is you who should "get a life",  WE HAVE OURS!  And hopefully our
>children won't be as morally bankrupt as you.
>
>Jerry L. Schutz
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Benjamin Tassler <benbum@sprintmail.com>
>To: vision2020@moscow.com <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 8:21 AM
>Subject: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) contest]
>
>
>>"GIVE THE KIDS A BREAK."
>>Outside of Moscow it's a big world out there and most reasonable
>people are not horrified that high schoolers could engage in a
>tame bathing suit contest.
>  Of course, we are aware that there are some people who are so naive
>that they think high schoolers are all innocent virginal morons who
>know nothing, should know nothing and having a bit of harmless fun
>is a travesty.
>To you, dear lady, I say "GET A LIFE." Hopefully they won't grow
>up to be as straight-laced as you appear to be.I feel sorry for you.
>
>
>Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:07:06 -0800
>From: Robert Hoffmann <escape@alt-escape.com>
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: RE: bikini (bathing suit) contest
>Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990309090706.0089c8b0@alt-escape.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>At 09:03 AM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>Hmmm...would you be out there cheering on your high school daughter?
>>
>>
>>Teresa Miller 
>
>And his mother, too, I bet.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:	Benjamin Tassler [SMTP:benbum@pop.a001.sprintmail.com]
>>Sent:	Monday, March 08, 1999 7:59 PM
>>To:	lbaird@belle.lib.uidaho.edu; donell@moscow.com; cheryll@turbonet.com
>>Subject:	bikini (bathing suit) contest
>>
>>My dear lbaird,
>>  Outside of Moscow it's a big world out there and most reasonable
>>people are not horrified that high schoolers could engage in a 
>>tame bathing suit contest.
>>  Of course, we are aware that there are some people who are so naive
>>that they think high schoolers are all innocent virginal morons who
>>know nothing, should know nothing and having a bit of harmless fun
>>is a travesty.
>>  To you, dear lady, I say "GET A LIFE." Hopefully they won't grow
>>up to be as straight-laced as you appear to be.I feel sorry for you.
>>
>>
>>
>Robert Hoffmann                      817 S. Adams
>Alt-Escape Adventures                Moscow, ID  83843  USA
>http://www.alt-escape.com            Phone: (208) 883-0642
>	             Fax:   (208) 883-8545
>Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:13:34 -0800
>From: Robert Hoffmann <escape@alt-escape.com>
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) contest]]
>Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990309091334.00884620@alt-escape.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>At 09:06 AM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>Now, Jerry,
>>You and people like
>>you could benefit from joining the majority of people whose opinioon
>>differs from yours.
>
>I must confess, I'm not adverse to seeing some attractive female flesh
>every now and then, so I don't consider myself a prude.  The tender issue
>here is the tender age of that flesh.  High school, to me, means that these
>young women probably have not yet reached the legal age of 18.  I
>understand that they will not be prancing nude on the catwalk, but
>nonetheless, a bikini contest has everything to do with sexual titillation.
> The use of a minor for such purposes presents a moral, if not legal,
dilemma.
>
>
>Robert Hoffmann                      817 S. Adams
>Alt-Escape Adventures                Moscow, ID  83843  USA
>http://www.alt-escape.com            Phone: (208) 883-0642
>	             Fax:   (208) 883-8545
>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:28:00 -0800 (PST)
>From: Jan Proctor <proc8601@uidaho.edu>
>To: Benjamin Tassler <benbum@sprintmail.com>
>cc: vision2020@moscow.com, donell@moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) contest]]
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>Ah, yes, I think we are ALL aware of the contributions that the Beach,
>formerly Xenon, has made to the community....
>
>J. K. Proctor
>
>
>
>On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Benjamin Tassler wrote:
>
>> Now, Jerry,
>>   You must be a newcomer to Moscow or you would know that we, the
>> operators of the Beach, formerly "Xenon" took a an ancient historic
>> building which was on the verge of falling down, spent hundreds of
>> thousands of dollars on it and built a venue of which any big city would
>> be proud.
>>  You fail to mention the huge sums which were contributed to the Moscow
>> economy in the resurrection of this building.
>>  Our business is ENTERTAINMENT. If giving people access to fun and the
>> enjoyment of life is a crime then we plead guilty. You and people like
>> you could benefit from joining the majority of people whose opinioon
>> differs from yours.
>>  So I say again to your types--"GET A LIFE" and join the human race.
>> 
>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:05:30 -0800
>From: Mayme Trumble <maymet@moscow.com>
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: RE: bikini (bathing suit) contest
>Message-Id: <l03110702b30b0c5d9f3a@[199.245.242.105]>
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>Why are you only having young girls parade around in bikinis? I would like
>to see some young men! Are you sure you are providing fun for everyone? Why
>high school kids, why not college kids? Seems they are a more appropiate
>target (excuse me, age group).
>
>Maybe we should all attend the contest. I certainly would like to see the
>wonderful things you are doing for our community.
>
>Building renovation
>I do think that your revision of your downtown building could have been
>done in better taste, to reflect the look of downtown. I am thinking of the
>building that Mingles is in. It looks great; where as your building looks
>garish, cheap and out of place.
>
>Mr. Tassler, do you have children?
>
>Mayme Trumble
>maymet@moscow.com
>
>The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.
>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:37:47 -0800
>Thank-you Lois Melina for reminding us that the best way to fight the
bikini contest is to start at home with conversations with our teens.  I
for one intend to make this a serious topic at my home.  Our teens need to
know that we as parents have no tolerance of this vulgar activity and will
be extremely upset if our youngsters attend.  As for the comments on the
building I couldn't agree more, it is offensive.  My question, who's fault
is that?  Doesn't the city have a body in place that should have regulated
what happened to a fine old building.  We all failed on this one!
                                                From: "Tim Hillebrand"
<thillebr@moscow.com>
>To: "Vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>, <benbum@sprintmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) contest]]
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>Excuse me, but I consider what the operators of Xenon/Beach did to an
>historic building a travesty, failing the principles of historic
>preservation in every respect. As for giving something to the community, I
>wonder what? Ugliness? Sleaze? Sobriety? When was the last time the Beach
>made a contribution to Habitat for Humanity, the Library, PCEI, the Animal
>Shelter, etc.? I'd say the community could do without the Beach. Your
>business is exploitation.
>
>Timothy S. Hillebrand, Ph.D.
>President
>Synergetics International
>http://www.synergetics.org/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Benjamin Tassler [mailto:benbum@sprintmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 9:07 AM
>To: vision2020@moscow.com; donell@moscow.com
>Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: bikini (bathing suit) contest]]
>
>Now, Jerry,
>  You must be a newcomer to Moscow or you would know that we, the
>operators of the Beach, formerly "Xenon" took a an ancient historic
>building which was on the verge of falling down, spent hundreds of
>thousands of dollars on it and built a venue of which any big city would
>be proud.
> You fail to mention the huge sums which were contributed to the Moscow
>economy in the resurrection of this building.
> Our business is ENTERTAINMENT. If giving people access to fun and the
>enjoyment of life is a crime then we plead guilty. You and people like
>you could benefit from joining the majority of people whose opinioon
>differs from yours.
> So I say again to your types--"GET A LIFE" and join the human race.
>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:14:24 -0800 (PST)
>From: lmelina@moscow.com (Lois Melina)
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: The Beach
>Message-Id: <199903091914.LAA10364@whale.fsr.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>OK, it's clear that many of us in the community object to a local business
>promoting the concept that our teenagers should get their entertainment by
>watching their classmates strut around in bikinis, (perhaps hoping one of
>them is aware that Moscow has no ordinance against going topless.)
>
>What do we do? As individuals, we can talk to our teenagers about whether
>this is an acceptable activity for them on Friday night. But what can we as
>a community do? 
>
>As it happens, the Parents Advisory Committee at the high school is meeting
>at 7:30 a.m. tomorrow morning at the high school. I will be happy to take
>any suggestions to that meeting. This is the same group that tried
>(successfully) to raise community awareness of the "senior kegger" last May. 
>
>Lois Melina
>************************
>Lois Melina
>Editor, "Adopted Child" newsletter
>P.O. Box 9362
>Moscow ID 83843
>
>phone: (208)882-1794
>fax: (208)883-8035
>Lmelina@moscow.com
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