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RE: Theological Attack On Public Schools--Statistical analysis issue



Mr. Courtney:
The statistics you cite do not, of necessity or inexorable 
logic, lead to the conclusion you posit.  Somewhere within 
your statements and stats is the foundation of a syllogism 
that would fall apart even upon rudimentary analysis.
The statements assume that all the "original" 100% (1990 
students) of school district enrollees are still and town and 
that some (mass) of them "fled" the public schools.  We 
know that's not the case because many have graduated 
and because for those who do leave before graduation 
the school district has to send their records to the new 
school.  I don't have the statistic at hand, but the district 
did present the evidence (this year) that the vast majority 
of students (over about the past 5 years) who left the 
district schools moved out of the city (and their new 
district made an official request for the records).  Some 
changed to charter schools--but they, too, are public 
schools (we know who those students are because the 
charters requested copies of their records).  Some smaller 
percentage may have switched to home schooling (they 
don't usually request the records so the district is less 
certain), and a few switched to a religiously-affiliated or 
(other)  private school.
Additionally, the mere addition of school-aged children to 
the community does not necessarily mean that all (or 
most) made a conscious choice between public and 
private schools.  If I had just moved to Moscow my 
children would have been placed in the public schools.  If 
you had just moved to Moscow, it is apparent that your 
children would not be in public school.  It would not be 
statistically accurate to claim that you or your children 
were part of the mass exodus (or failure of mass 
enrollment increase) you proclaim.
No doubt some Moscow students and families have "left" 
the public schools over the past 10 years for a non-public 
alternative.  And it may be, as some of your previous posts 
say, that the reason for their leaving is that Moscow public 
schools are deficient and not doing their job.   Or not.
My response here is simply to say that it will require a 
more complete factual analysis of the statistics you 
present before one can use them to support either thesis.
Mike Curley



On 27 Aug 02, at 21:34, Dale Courtney wrote:

Date forwarded: 	Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:34:25 -0700 (PDT)
From:           	"Dale Courtney" <dmcourtn@moscow.com>
To:             	<vision2020@moscow.com>
Subject:        	RE: Theological Attack On Public Schools
Date sent:      	Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:34:37 -0700
Forwarded by:   	vision2020@moscow.com

Greg wrote: 
>   Secondly, and most important. Both Dale and Doug have
>   this 
> notion of kids fleeing public schools for private schools.
> Not so. They are either extremely myopic or are
> perpetuating a fallacy to better their own cause. Moscow
> may have its own foibles, and its public schools may be
> losing kids today ( I don't have the figures at hand), but
> trends come and go. For a more accurate picture of what is
> happening vis-a-vis public and private education, you'll
> need to think bigger. Just off the cuff I would guess
> enrollments are cyclical in nature, based on population,
> world events, and economics. In the 1990s, when riches
> flowed, I'm guessing more people used their extra cash to
> send their kids to private school. You know the routine,
> bigger SUV, house in the suburbs, kids in a private,
> prestigious school that gets the neighbors talking. As the
> economy sours, I'm guessing the reverse will be true.

I'll repost what I said back on May 17th of this year
concerning Latah county:

1.  The census bureau reports that Latah's total population
has increased 14.1% in 10 years
(http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/16/16057.html)

2.  The census bureau reports that Latah's 17-and-under
population has increased 20.3% in 10 years
(http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/16/16057.html)

3.  Moscow's total population increased from 18,519 in 1990
to 21,291 in 2000 (13% in 10 years)
(http://www2.census.gov/census_2000/datasets/demograp
hic_pro
file/Idaho/2 kh16.pdf vs
http://venus.census.gov/cdrom/lookup/1021654114)

4.  Moscow's school-aged children make up 11.2% of the 
total
population
(http://www2.census.gov/census_2000/datasets/demograp
hic_pro
file/Idaho/2 kh16.pdf)

5.  MSD reports that they are down 357 students (15.1%) in 
5
years
(http://www.sd281.k12.id.us/GeneralInformation/files/mov
emen
t.pdf and
http://www.sd281.k12.id.us/GeneralInformation/files/Enroll
me
nt_11-02-01. pdf)

Now, you don't have to have a PhD in statistics to see that
the books don't balance. *All* the stats show that the
overall population and the school-aged population is up
anywhere from 13%-20% and that school enrollment is 
down 15%

Not only has there been an exodus from the government
schools, there's been a *mass exodus*. Well, let me 
rephrase
that -- there should have been a mass *entrance* (up 
~15%
instead of down 15%).

MSD alleges that the cause is families with kids leaving.
That's nonsense. Nothing supports that allegation.

Rather, the question is why parents are not enrolling them
to begin with. 

I've said my statistical peace. We'll wait until the school
enrollment data is in
(http://www.census.gov/census2000/futurereleases.html), 
then
there'll be no more guess work.

Dale




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