Objective Standards: Re: Ban Display of Lips and Tongues on Females

["Ted Moffett" <ted_moffett@hotmail.com>]

EEvans, et. al.

Sexuality is a subjective experience in the extreme.  There are many women 
and men who take great pleasure in lovemaking together when the women has no 
breasts, having lost them to unfortunate medical problems.  So clearly 
breasts are not an essential element of what defines erotic or sexual.  It 
would take a tome or two of analysis to try to answer the subjective vs 
objective question, and we would still be left with major disagreement among 
reasonable minds.  Genitals are clearly the center of sexual pleasure for 
just about everyone, so this is the part of the body there is the least 
disagreement concerning it's need to be "private," and therefore covered, if 
we assume that parts of the body involving sexual pleasure must be covered 
in public.

As I stated in my challenge to the guardians of our morality who pushed for 
the ordinance blocking topless females, if you truly wish to guard the 
public against the erotic organs of the human body, then the lips and 
tongue, which are sources of erotic pleasure for most everyone, and are 
often the first parts of the body that are used to engage in foreplay 
leading to more advanced sexual encounters (sorry this sounds so silly!), 
should also be restricted in public.  I think the Islamic societies that 
veil women in public recognize the power of the face in sexual attraction, 
and in this sense if we assume that sexual attraction in public is to be 
extremely discouraged, then they are being logical in their customs, though 
women are bearing the brunt of this attitude.  Certainly we need to ban 
french kissing in public!  What example does allowing this kind of conduct 
in public set for the children?  I have been personally embarrassed by this 
conduct numerous times!!!!!!!!!!  And it's potential to arouse idle 
passersby into immoral conduct is also clear.  So get to work on further 
restrictions of erotic and/or sexual displays in public.  We must be saved 
from the ruination and moral destruction of the foundations of our 
civilization that allowing this kind of behavior in public would wreck upon 
us.

So what say ye?

I say what is really going on deals with men who want to maintain their 
power over women's sexuality to further their control for their own ends, 
and this is at the root of banning topless women in public.

Ted


>From: eevans@moscow.com
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Re: Ban Display of  Lips and Tongues on Females! Bring the Veil to 
>Moscow.
>Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:25:08 GMT
>
>Ted Wrote:
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> > What is clear is that we are just legislating relativistic cultural 
>norms.
> > Some societies do not ban public display of the female breast, and are 
>just
> > as civilized and reasonable, maybe more so in some cases, than Moscow,
> > Idaho.  We are not following objective standards about display of erotic
> > parts of the female or male body.
>
>Who defines these objective standards?
>
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>
>-Ed Evans
>
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