Re: School cuts...

[Scott Dredge <sdredge@yahoo.com>]

The only way the sports programs can become self
sufficient is if they are allocated no money or
resources and if they are allowed to use the money
that they generate for whatever purposes they want.
In simple terms, this would mean that income producing
programs such as football and basketball would likely
hold their own and all other sports would be on their
own to figure out some way operate or to be
eliminated altogether.

Sports programs operated by schools receiving federal 
money must abide by strict requirements regarding  
gender equity under the title IX clause in the 1972
amendment to the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

In short, this means that the number of female
athletes
needs to be equal to of male athletes.  The rules
change almost annually to make things even more
equal.  For example, coaches for women's sports are
required to receive salaries equal to their male
counterparts.  Personally, I'm strongly in favor
of these requirements because it allows more people
to benefit from the athletic programs instead of
allowing schools to only field the most popular
sports of football and basketball.

I'm not sure where you're headed with the question
of self-sufficiency of the sports programs.  The
federal guidelines don't take profitability into
account, the guidelines are only there to insure
balance of the programs offered.  This is my last
post on this subject, you have the last word...

-Scott

> --- Mike Rush <mike.rush@veriomail.com> wrote:
> > I understand the desire to 'share the pain'.  I
> > believe this is the way the
> > cuts (if they come to pass) will be done.  I want
> to
> > revert a little to my
> > question on the self sufficiency of sports.  I
> > allways hear about how sports
> > programs are income generators but never see the
> > facts laid out.  Did you
> > have any information which shows the sports
> > activities (at UI or the MSD)
> > are self sufficient?  Or are you following the
> > 'conventional wisdom' on this
> > point?
> > 
> > Mike Rush
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Dredge" <sdredge@yahoo.com>
> > To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: School cuts...
> > 
> > 
> > > I think that the purpose of the educational
> > > institution is to provide a well rounded
> education
> > > for the students.  This includes math, science,
> > > history, english, foreign language, metal shop,
> > wood
> > > shop, auto shop, home economics, theater, music,
> > PE,
> > > intramural sports, JV and varsity athletics, and
> > > probably even more classes and activities than I
> > can
> > > think of at the moment.  Not all students are
> > going to
> > >
> > > benefit from every class and activity offered
> and
> > some
> > > may not even be interested in participating in
> > some
> > > classes or activities.
> > >
> > > I say go ahead and put JV and varsity athletics
> on
> > the
> > > table along with all other activities and
> classes
> > when
> > > determining budgets.  That doesn't mean
> eliminate
> > any
> > > of them.  Is there no room, for across the board
> > cuts
> > > to share the pain?  Instead of jumping to a
> > conclusion
> > > of "Let's chop the sports programs in order to
> > prop
> > > up the math and science classes", I would ask
> "Can
> > > we find a way to keep both?".  A team of
> > educationally
> > > well rounded people would likely be able to
> > propose
> > > two or three different alternatives to save
> both.
> > >
> > > Schools are seemingly always going through
> rounds
> > of
> > > budget cuts.  One idea might be to charge the
> > players
> > > some dollar amount to offset the budget cuts. 
> > That
> > > may not be the best solution, but it may be a
> > > solution that allows a chance to those who want
> to
> > > play
> > > rather than eliminating the programs altogether.
> > >
> > > -Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Mike Rush <mike.rush@cableaz.com> wrote:
> > > > It depends on what you think the purpose of
> the
> > > > educational institution is.
> > > > If it is to teach math and science then cut
> > sports.
> > > > If it is to teach
> > > > sports, cut math and science.
> > > >
> > > > Do the sports teams actually generate an
> income
> > > > greater than the expenses
> > > > related to sports?  I would really be
> interested
> > in
> > > > data which supports this
> > > > claim.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Rush
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Scott Dredge" <sdredge@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:22 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: School cuts...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It's unlikely that the UI would simply
> forfeit
> > the
> > > > > hundreds of thousands of dollars that are
> > > > generated
> > > > > from having their football teams play
> > nationally
> > > > > ranked
> > > > > teams and the national exposure of the those
> > > > games.
> > > > > Further, the athletic programs generate
> > booster
> > > > > dollars
> > > > > to fund athletic scholarships and also
> > generate
> > > > > donations directly to the University for
> > academic
> > > > > programs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I spent a lot of time in math/science
> classes
> > and
> > > > on
> > > > > the athletic field in both high school and
> > > > college.
> > > > > Neither should be cut at the expense of the
> > other.
> > > > >
> > > > > -SD
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Cliff Todd <forester@moscow.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Maybe the UI could set an example.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cliff Todd
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Brian Dennis
> [mailto:brian@uidaho.edu]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:02 AM
> > > > > > To: vision2020@moscow.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: School cuts...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Visionaries,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could someone knowledgeable post a figure
> > here
> > > > for
> > > > > > us:  the total net
> > > > > > annual amount spent by the Moscow School
> > > > District on
> > > > > > football.  This
> > > > > > should include coaches, equipment, travel,
> > > > > > maintainance, insurance, etc.,
> > > > > > minus the income from gate receipts &
> other
> > > > sources.
> > > > > >  Jr High as well as
> > > > > > High Sch.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suspect the figure would buy a
> > considerable
> > > > amount
> > > > > > of science education.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I dare this community to put varsity
> sports
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brian Dennis
> > > > > > Professor of Wildlife and Statistics
> > > > > > University of Idaho
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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