vision2020
Re: School cuts...
to Mike Rush and Scott Dredge, fyi for your continued discussion: Varsity
sports in the school district require a "pay to play" component. Every effort is
made to see that "scholarships" are available to those who might not be able
to afford the cost. However, no sport is self-sufficient in the cost department--
nor to my knowledge is any activity in the district although some groups do a
great job of raising funds, especially for trips outside the state: band and the
Environmental Club come to mind immediately, but I'm sure there are others.
On 6 Dec 01, at 20:29, Mike Rush wrote:
Date forwarded: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:30:36 -0800 (PST)
From: "Mike Rush" <mike.rush@veriomail.com>
To: "Scott Dredge" <sdredge@yahoo.com>,
<vision2020@moscow.com>
Subject: Re: School cuts...
Date sent: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:29:51 -0700
Forwarded by: vision2020@moscow.com
I understand the desire to 'share the pain'. I believe this is the way the cuts
(if they come to pass) will be done. I want to revert a little to my question
on the self sufficiency of sports. I allways hear about how sports programs are
income generators but never see the facts laid out. Did you have any
information which shows the sports activities (at UI or the MSD) are self
sufficient? Or are you following the 'conventional wisdom' on this point?
Mike Rush
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Dredge" <sdredge@yahoo.com>
To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: School cuts...
> I think that the purpose of the educational
> institution is to provide a well rounded education
> for the students. This includes math, science,
> history, english, foreign language, metal shop, wood
> shop, auto shop, home economics, theater, music, PE,
> intramural sports, JV and varsity athletics, and
> probably even more classes and activities than I can
> think of at the moment. Not all students are going to
>
> benefit from every class and activity offered and some
> may not even be interested in participating in some
> classes or activities.
>
> I say go ahead and put JV and varsity athletics on the
> table along with all other activities and classes when
> determining budgets. That doesn't mean eliminate any
> of them. Is there no room, for across the board cuts
> to share the pain? Instead of jumping to a conclusion
> of "Let's chop the sports programs in order to prop
> up the math and science classes", I would ask "Can
> we find a way to keep both?". A team of educationally
> well rounded people would likely be able to propose
> two or three different alternatives to save both.
>
> Schools are seemingly always going through rounds of
> budget cuts. One idea might be to charge the players
> some dollar amount to offset the budget cuts. That
> may not be the best solution, but it may be a
> solution that allows a chance to those who want to
> play
> rather than eliminating the programs altogether.
>
> -Scott
>
>
> --- Mike Rush <mike.rush@cableaz.com> wrote:
> > It depends on what you think the purpose of the
> > educational institution is.
> > If it is to teach math and science then cut sports.
> > If it is to teach
> > sports, cut math and science.
> >
> > Do the sports teams actually generate an income
> > greater than the expenses
> > related to sports? I would really be interested in
> > data which supports this
> > claim.
> >
> > Mike Rush
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Dredge" <sdredge@yahoo.com>
> > To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:22 AM
> > Subject: RE: School cuts...
> >
> >
> > > It's unlikely that the UI would simply forfeit the
> > > hundreds of thousands of dollars that are
> > generated
> > > from having their football teams play nationally
> > > ranked
> > > teams and the national exposure of the those
> > games.
> > > Further, the athletic programs generate booster
> > > dollars
> > > to fund athletic scholarships and also generate
> > > donations directly to the University for academic
> > > programs.
> > >
> > > I spent a lot of time in math/science classes and
> > on
> > > the athletic field in both high school and
> > college.
> > > Neither should be cut at the expense of the other.
> > >
> > > -SD
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Cliff Todd <forester@moscow.com> wrote:
> > > > Maybe the UI could set an example.
> > > >
> > > > Cliff Todd
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Brian Dennis [mailto:brian@uidaho.edu]
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:02 AM
> > > > To: vision2020@moscow.com
> > > > Subject: Re: School cuts...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Visionaries,
> > > >
> > > > Could someone knowledgeable post a figure here
> > for
> > > > us: the total net
> > > > annual amount spent by the Moscow School
> > District on
> > > > football. This
> > > > should include coaches, equipment, travel,
> > > > maintainance, insurance, etc.,
> > > > minus the income from gate receipts & other
> > sources.
> > > > Jr High as well as
> > > > High Sch.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect the figure would buy a considerable
> > amount
> > > > of science education.
> > > >
> > > > I dare this community to put varsity sports on
> > the
> > > > table.
> > > >
> > > > Brian Dennis
> > > > Professor of Wildlife and Statistics
> > > > University of Idaho
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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