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Re: Gay killers/public sex
Hello Sean,
> Regarding your list of killers, D. Kim Rossmo's (excellent) book,
> Geographic Profiling (CRC Press, 2000), suggests the top killers
> are/were somewhat different than your own list.
Well you know how statistics are, you can slice and dice (no pun
intended) the numbers any way you want and label and classify to
pretty much get the results a person is looking for.
This is why I was hoping to get away from the stat wars and focus
on the issues of indoctrination. At this point everyone seems to
agree that indoctrination is a product of the government school
system.
To what standard should the values of indoctrination be evaluated?
Should I be force to pay for the indoctrination to standards I
find abhorrent?
Is true diversity allowed in the indoctrination? For example, can
the government schools teach that God says that sodomy is wrong?
What about real tolerance for parents that disagree and dont want
to have any part of the system or parts of the system, why should
they pay for that part of the indoctrination?
Thank you for the discussion,
Cheers!
John Harrell
--- sean <o2design@wsu.edu> wrote:
> You post some interesting information, John. Kudos for offering
> substance in the form of references, etc., and for the shear time to
> do so.
>
> Regarding your list of killers, D. Kim Rossmo's (excellent) book,
> Geographic Profiling (CRC Press, 2000), suggests the top killers
> are/were somewhat different than your own list. He lists:
>
> Name: Victims:
> Daniel Barboza 59
> Robert Diaz 60
> Joseph Fischer 100
> Donald Gaskins 100
> Donald Harvey 55
> Henry Lee Lucas 100
> Herman Mudgett 200*
> John Murrell 500
>
> *co-killer involved
>
> This is not to discredit the concept you suggest, just that the link
> is not quite that clear, and does not have the evidence to support
> it. That said, I am not sure and Rossmo does not speak to the above
> victims' gender. Maybe the "gentlemen" you list were tops for deaths
> of boys/men?
>
> Regarding the deviancy portrayed in use of public sites for sex, this
> is a very interesting phenomenon that I've looked at in my research
> on park crimes. It appears that indecent exposure related to
> homosexual males engaging in sex is one of the most persistent and
> consistent offenses affecting U.S. urban parks. Exactly why this is
> has not been studied in much detail. However, Humphreys' Tearoom
> Trade offers a pretty thorough discussion of it.
>
> I am not sure that there is much relationships between a willingness
> to engage in illegal and likely unwanted behavior in public settings
> and a similar desire to share beliefs in public educational settings.
> However, one key issue seems to be whether there exists a desire by
> ANY members of the gay community to recruit. If there is, then
> sharing is no longer a passive information exchange, but rather a
> proactive exercise to at least meet like-minded individuals (eg, to
> assist them in feeling comfortable with outing). I believe the issue
> that you may be getting at is that some evidence exists that shows
> SOME gay individuals do more than locate/comfort; they seek to
> involve others by engaging them, either through encouragement,
> coercion or force.
>
> Interesting topic. I don't suppose it will go away. Influencing the
> next generation is just too importantŠno matter what your world view.
>
> s
>
>
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> >From: John Harrell <johnbharrell@yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Re: Gay California teachers 'come out' in classroom
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> >Hello Daniel,
> >
> >Thank you for the discussion.
> >
> >"Well I have much to say about this one. And I don't apologize for it."
> >
> >I guess me too, so here goes.
> >
> >Thank you for your response. I will try to respond to most of
> >your comments by also pulling from my bag of statistics and then
> >try to bring us back on track as to the original purpose of
> >these discussions which is school indoctrination, who decides
> >what our children should be indoctrinated with, who should be
> >paying for the indoctrination of our children - these last few
> >issues you have not really addressed.
> >
> >First, my bag of statistics will obviously be a different bag.
> >After seeing some of the facts from my bag of statistics, the
> >logical next step for you is to try to discredit the sources.
> >Well, guess what, I can do the same to your sources. So after
> >I present some of the facts from my bag of statistics maybe we
> >can stop the statistics games and get down to the real issues
> >as mentioned above.
> >
> >
> >Dr. Robert L. Spitzer, a psychiatric professor at Columbia
> >University, created a firestorm in May 2001, when he released
> >the results of his research at a meeting of the American
> >Psychiatric Association. Spitzer, who had spearheaded the
> >APA's decision in 1973 to declassify homosexuality as a
> >mental-health disorder, says his findings "show some people
> >can change from gay to straight, and we ought to acknowledge
> >that." This seems to be interesting regarding your comments
> >about the nature of homosexuality. Many homosexuals seem to
> >bounce from gay to straight and gay and straight many times,
> >it gets so confusing it doesn't surprise anyone that gays are
> >so confused. The most well-known of these is the actress
> >Anne Heche. There is no "gay gene". I could submit stat
> >after stat after stat on this issue, but I think just the
> >fact many homosexuals bounce around so much is enough for
> >the moment; so again, lets not play stat wars, they will
> >bore people to death.
> >
> >There are also two very good organizations that help people
> >with their issue of sexual confusion, and these organizations
> >have testimonies of people that have successfully confronted
> >and solved their sexual problems:
> >
> >Exodus International North America
> >P.O Box 540119
> >Orlando, Florida 32854
> >407-599-6872
> >407-599-0011 (fax)
> >888-264-0877 (toll free)
> >www.exodusnorthamerica.org
> >
> >National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality
> >(NARTH)
> >16633 Ventura Boulevard, Suite 1340
> >Encino, CA 91436
> >818-789-4440
> >www.narth.com
> >
> >
> >Why would anyone desire to have children become homosexuals,
> >or to get then thinking about the "gay" lifestyle? I am saying
> >this for the children. But here are the statistics on the
> >dangers of the "gay" lifestyle. So after reading this, if you,
> >or anyone really loved children or anyone else for that
> >matter, why would you want to promote them into such a horrid
> >state of mental health anguish, physical health anguish, and
> >violent anguish.
> >
> >Is the "Gay Behaviour Sick?" by Henry Makow Ph.D says,
> >[ http://toogoodreports.com/ ]
> >"Let¥s look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall
> >Kirk and Hunter Madsen Ph.D., authors of "After the Ball:
> >How America will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the
> >90¥s (1989).
> >
> > In Chapter Six, they outline ìten categories of
> > misbehavior,î drawn from their own experiences, wide
> > reading and thousands of hours of conversation with
> > hundreds of other gays...
> >
> > What follows are some highlights. As you read this, ask
> > yourself if there is another human community, including
> > the Mafia that could make these generalizations about
> > itself. Ask yourself if we haven¥t caught this disease,
> > or at least the sniffles.
> >
> > - The authors say ìa surprisingly high percentageî of
> > pathological liars and con men are gay. This results
> > from a natural habit of self-concealment, and leads to
> > a stubborn self-deception about one¥s own gayness and
> > its implications.
> >
> > - They say gays suffer from a ìnarcissisticî personality
> > disorder and they give this clinical description:
> > ìpathological self absorption, a need for constant
> > attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern
> > for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in
> > fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance,
> > superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative,
> > preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships
> > alternate between over idealization and devaluation.î
> >
> > - As an example of this narcissism, the authors say ìa
> > very sizable proportion of gay menî who have been
> > diagnosed HIV positive continue to have unprotected sex.
> >
> > - They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous
> > and self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante
> > to achieve arousal. This begins with alcohol and drugs
> > and includes such ìforbiddenî aspects of sex as
> > wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia) and
> > sadomasochism, which involves violence.
> >
> > - They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms
> > and think it is antigay harassment when it is stopped.
> > Many think they have a right to importune straight
> > males, including children.
> >
> > - Many gays are ìsingle minded sexual predatorsî fixated
> > on youth and physical beauty alone. When it comes to
> > the old or ugly, gays are ìthe real queerbashers.î
> > Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.
> >
> > - ìRelationships between gay men don¥t usually last
> > very long.î They quickly tire of their partners and
> > fall victim to temptation. The ìcheating ratio of
> > ëmarried¥ gay males, given enough time, approaches
> > 100%.î..."
> >
>
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