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Fwd: RE: What's your take on petroleum?
Visionaies: I urge everyone to give thught to what Jeff Goebel (WSU)
says about the plight of our smaller rural towns/communities.
Collectively something CAN be done to stop a slow death... Some of
you may recall that Jeff facilitated our Feb. 2000 community caucus
at the Unitarian Church in Moscw. For those concerned it's worthwhile
to dialog with Jeff about what the options are. Ken M.
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>Another opportunity for the United States (since I am not aware what all the
>situations are for other countries) is to begin restoring rural communities
>as thriving centers of trade. In the county I live in, close to a dozen
>communities are boarding up their stores and blowing away. Everyone drives
>to the large communities to shop at Walmart and Costco.
>
>Restoring rural communities is a complex issue. With the average age of
>farmers continuing to increase in America and farms getting larger, there is
>a smaller population base to support the local stores, schools, churches,
>etc.
>
>We have also lost most of our rail systems in our rural areas, because it
>has been cheaper and more "efficient" to use truck transport. Our region
>also relies on our waterways, which has drawn national attention with the
>issue of removing four Snake River dams to save salmon. Without the
>waterways, which have also accelerated the loss of the railroads, our truck
>transport will significantly increase to ship our monoculture small grain
>crops out of the region.
>
>An added opportunity for rural America is Ernesto Sirolli's concept of
>Enterprise Facilitation which stimulates rural economies through the latent
>passions residing in each community.
>
>Another strategy, of course, is getting people to practice holistic
>decision-making. We have a corporate sponsored grant in our community to
>support all of these strategy points, with the intent of fostering a healthy
>region.
>
>Restoring the ability to purchase needed supplies locally will help the
>issue of long distance shopping trips and fossil fuel consumption. Lots to
>chew on. Where do we start? Jeff
>
>Carl Jeffry Goebel
>Goebel and Associates
>P.O. Box 413
>Pullman, WA 99163-0413
>Phone: (509) 334-4767
>Fax: (775) 993-4283
>E-mail: goebel@wsu.edu
>Web page: www.aboutlistening.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Gail P Guthrie [mailto:majmer@bigpond.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 5:00 PM
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>Subject: Re: What's your take on petroleum?
>
>Amy,
> You have hit the nail right on the head. For country people, we have no
>choice, at this stage, but to use fuel of one sort or another. In our case,
>we only run diesel vehicles, but farm two properties 200 km apart, and
>operate a shop in town 35 km away from home. Our solution for one is to sell
>one of the farms, when a buyer can be found in these hard times, the other
>is an option we have chosen as having the shop on the farm does not attract
>enough customers (who prefer to shop in town) to make it sustainable as a
>business.
> Until such time as an alternative cheaper fuel is allowed to be on the
>market, then we are forced to continue using oil fuels. Note I don't say
>invented because I am sure that they have, but just aren't allowed to reach
>the customer because of the cartel of the oil companies.So therefore the
>real problem behind all this is the stranglehold that big business has on
>consumers.
>Happy crafting and king regards from
>Gail - e-mail majmer@bigpond.com
>Majestic Merino
>Western Australia
>www.majesticmerino.com
>www.majesticmerino.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Amy Driggs <adriggs@hotmail.com>
>To: <general@lists.holisticmanagement.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:48 PM
>Subject: Re: What's your take on petroleum?
>
>
>> Kim and all:
>>
>> I've spent time living in the city (S.F. Bay area) as well as the country
>> (Montana), so my perspective changes depending on which area I'm in.
>While
>> in the city, we chose to own 1 car (Toyota Tercel) and 2 bicycles. We
>used
>> the car for shopping and on weekends to drive long distances. Otherwise
>we
>> both biked to work. Not because we couldn't afford another car and it's
>> related gas/insurance expenses, but because we consciously chose to cut
>back
>> on our consumption habits. As I see it, many of our transportation woes
>as
>> city dwellers could be solved with efficient public transportation, and
>more
>> conscientious decision making.
>>
>> However, living in the country, isolation forces my parents to rely
>heavily
>> on their auto-transport. Not to mention all the fuel related costs to run
>> the ranch. Even these have been cut back as they focus on decreasing
>their
>> machinery overhead-get rid of excess tractors as well as the old pickup,
>get
>> a fuel efficient Toyota instead of that Diesel Dodge, rely on a 4-wheeler
>on
>> our own acreage. BUT, and this is a big BUT, there is still a minimum
>> amount of fuel they must use in order to drive to the grocery store, to
>haul
>> their cattle to auction, to drive to the doctor (1.5 hours away). What's
>> the answer for this situation? Public transport is not a viable option.
>We
>> have to drive 1 hour just to the nearest train station. What happens when
>> the cost of transporting our cattle to auction is higher than what we make
>> per pound?
>>
>> Amy
>> Eureka, MT
>>
>>
>> >From: mcdodge@pmug.org (Kim McDodge)
>> >Reply-To: general@lists.holisticmanagement.org
>> >To: d.richardson@mail.utexas.edu
>> >CC: general@lists.holisticmanagement.org
>> >Subject: Re: What's your take on petroleum?
>> >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:30:02 -0700
>> >
>> >Let's see - from a city place -
>> >
>> >Our take on petrol has been to get rid of driving and settle down and
>walk
>> >alot and bike and bus some and on for 20 years as if the 70's was true in
>> >its shortage. The quality of our lives just plain went up. Denial was
>> >broken a bit at a time. Frankly, I am looking forward to this 'cause
>> >daily life will be more breathable in this City, maybe if it doesn't burn
>> >by people going thru withdrawal. We are directly involved in our food,
>> >making bread, growing veggies and brewing and selling compost teas out of
>> >a tiny urban CSA.
>> >
>> >I have enjoyed seeing the consensus and HM people in WA get a positive
>> >beat going on all this and I am unable to follow in that direction being
>> >that for me continuity - one day at a time- seems to break the hope and
>> >despair cycle that is so strong in our culture.
>> >
>> >Besides changing our eating habits and kitchen work - Terence grinds the
>> >grains with a champion juicer attachment - Sour dough and yogurt are
>> >staple....we have been working a food buying club awhile. We try to use
>> >food distributors who are close and local. When the oil runs out we can
>> >prioritize pretty easily and our habits may support us. ....may.
>> >
>> >I would appreciate any conversation on this list as to changing daily
>> >habits in the face of this mess. For all the talk about getting beyond
>> >reptile brains and fear/adrenal reactions, I still see a whole lotta
>> >pumped up people driving madly about. I know this is a disease and we
>all
>> >gotta hit bottom thru it and we cain't hep ourselfs and all.
>> >
>> >What a grand, high olde time we had! Now let us talk one another thru
>> >this contraction - these shocks that sure as shootin' are coming down the
>> >pike.... unless Gold's ideas that oil is a unlimited microb exluded from
>> >the core... fat chance.....
>> >
>> >Kim McDodge
>> >Portland
>> >
>> >
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