Re: Proposal for a new list

["Ted Moffett" <ted_moffett@hotmail.com>]

Everyone:

I think it a grand idea to have two lists, one for discussion and another 
for a community bulletin board.  A reading of the vision2020 web site 
reveals that restricting vision2020 to a community bulletin board was never 
the intention for this list.

Public discussion of issues in a democracy is not going to be the totally 
logical, civil and reasonable enterprise that some participants in vision 
2020 wish it was, myself included.  But I think that if we are to stand by 
the values of allowing all voices to speak, we must accept what happens, 
even if it seems distasteful or futile.  Democracy is an experiment.  I 
think the jury is still out on whether it will last as a viable form of 
government.  Certainly here in the USA we are dangerously close to losing 
what semblance of democracy we have.

Perhaps some of the more egregious posts on vision2020 deserve to just be 
ignored.  Not with a shrug, but with intentions of fighting against these 
points of view through other more effective means than arguing over and over 
with certain people who post often to vision2020 that are as receptive to 
fact and logic as a toad.  We need some serious organized public protests, 
and public ideological campaigns, to put certain groups on notice that they 
can play their games only so far!

Who has the gumption for this?  I hesitate, as many do, to commit themselves 
to action when we have our comfortable lives to protect.  Now this is where 
the rubber meets the road.  Who was it on vision2020 that made disparaging 
comments about progressives in Moscow compared to Santa Cruz?   He was flat 
out right!

Vote on November 5.

Ted


>From: Mushroom <mushroom@moscow.com>
>To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: Proposal for a new list
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:55:25 -0700
>
>Clay wrote:
> >
> > <<<<Mr. Bird said.......
> > If you are interested, please e-mail me off list.  I'll let everyone 
>know if
> > and when something else emerges.
> >
> > Wondering what part of that request didn't Tom, Bill & Don  understand?
> >
>
>I didn't understand the part that said "Whatever you do,
>don't indicate your unhappiness with the present list
>postings by posting to Vision 2020." Or maybe Kenton didn't
>say that; it certainly wouldn't have been like him to say
>that.
>
>There may not be a lot of Vision 2020 members who object to
>what has happened to the list because most who object
>probably have fled to where religion is not Topic A.
>
>If you kill a newsgroup by preaching to it, do you go direct
>to heaven and have a bunch of virgins do whatever you
>imagine would be fun?
>
>Don Coombs




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