Re: Breasts, Brains and Headless Chickens

["Muscovites for Equal Rights" <idahomer@hotmail.com>]

Again, I have to agree with Gregory.  Religion, in my head, is basically a 
belief system.  Therefore, religous arguments regarding this issue, 
including mine, have been given from the beginning.
I was specifically asking for a biblical citation because that seems to be 
the book some folks base their belief system on.  Now I know that both 
Gregory and Doug Jones are not in favor of the ordinance, so I will cease to 
ask for biblical citations. (I am curious to know why Doug Jones is not a 
proponant of this ordinance.)

Judging from most of the posts to this list, we have some very devout people 
in our community.  I have no problem with people having and preaching their 
convictions.  I'll continue to do the same.

I want to thank Doug Jones for republishing my comments regarding breasts.  
Indeed, I believe in a Creator (God or Goddess, the name is not important, 
though I chose to use a feminine description in reference to the creative 
force behind breasts.)
"Please remember: our first instinct is to suckle the breast, the giver of 
milk.  Without this gift from Goddess, we would not survive."

That is why I think it is ridiculous to criminalize breasts.  We should be 
honoring them, not making women feal shameful for bearing them.  That is 
what is really offensive.

That seems pretty straitforward.  We cannot survive without the gifts from 
God.  That includes everything on this planet, which is why my religion is 
to respect life.  That is challenging in our world of turmoil and I'll be 
the first to admit that I'm not perfect.

When I see our city council pass a law that basically disrespects the women 
in our community, I will advocate against it.

Men need to get over their breast-envy and realize there is nothing evil 
about being topfree.

I have no problem including my religion in debating this issue.  Without 
that religion, I would have no passion to fight what I see as repression.  
However, my philosophical views symbolized by the quote Doug Jones cited is 
not needed when there are so many arguments against this particular law.  
That is the issue before us:  Why is this law necessary for Moscow?  In my 
view, it is not and it will eventually be shot down.  Hopefully before we 
waste money defending it.

Besides, I will be playing the devil's advocate during our mock debate if no 
one takes our debate challenge, so I will not be able to include my 
philosophy during the debate.  Perhaps I will touch on it if I give a 
speach.

I still have heard no counters to any of our "non-religous" arguments 
against the ordinance.  I can only assume that is because there are no 
counters.

That being the case, it is the culture of some who have imposed their views 
by passing a law that now restricts the culture of others.  The only problem 
is, that won't stand in a court of law.  A culture cannot just pass laws 
that violate the broader culture's constitution and case-history.  Are you 
willing to pay to defend this law?

That is why the intent of our Civil Rights Celebration is to remember our 
freedoms.  When we take them for granted and become complacent, that is when 
they are legislated away.

Peace from Garrett Clevenger





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