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RE: ain't gonna pay for war no more



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But nothing has happened since then. So how do you measure prevention? Saddam's tanks aren't rolling down Wall St are they? Is that because the longshoremen won't unload them?
 
Cliff Todd
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Saundra Lund [mailto:sslund@moscow.com]
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:49 AM
To: 'Don Kaag'; 'Vision 2020'
Subject: RE: ain't gonna pay for war no more

Don Kaag (in responding to Sharon Sullivan's information about the WHOPPING 46% of our tax dollars currently going to military and defense spending) wrote:
 
"...and this is bad why?

Don't you have a television set? Or a radio, or a newspaper subscription? We are approaching the anniversary of the worst attack on the United States in our history---much worse, in terms of casualties than Pearl Harbor in 1941. Thousands of innocent civilians going about their daily routine in the largest, most important city in our nation were burned to death, blown to pieces and horribly injured by suiciding Islamic terrorists in hijacked airliners."
 
Yes, I've got TVs and radios and several newspaper subscriptions.  I doubt there's a person in the US over the age of five who doesn't realize what anniversary is upcoming.
 
My response to your question, ". . . and this is bad why?" is to ask *you* why *you* think it's good?  It obviously didn't prevent September 11th, regardless of the substantial taxation level.  It sure didn't protect the Pentagon, and only the brave actions of *individual* civilians, not the military, protected the White House that day (assuming that was the target of Flight 93).
 
And, exorbitant taxation for defense sure didn't do anything to protect the thousands innocent civilians who were killed and injured on that terrible day.
 
I'm not entering into a debate about the good/bad of funding the military at its current level, at a greater level, or at a lesser level.  While there are a great many instances in which I *don't* agree with defense spending, I personally appreciate the sacrifices of our men and women in uniform, and the sacrifices of their families, including you and your family, Mr. Kaag.  I don't happen to believe that we do a good job of appreciating those who lay their lives on the line to defend our freedoms and ways of life.
 
However, I don't buy your apparent argument that throwing money into defense & military spending provides us greater protection.  I think September 11th, *your* example, makes my point  :-)
 
Mr. Kaag then resorts to insults, including:
"But don't think for a minute, whether you like it or not, that there are not "rough men" out there somewhere making it possible for you to exercise your violence-secured First Amendment right to post pacifist nonsense on Vision 2020."
 
I don't think insulting those who disagree with our views if very helpful . . . or nice.  I think you could have made the same point in an honorable manner, and *not* turned off those who perhaps agree with your ideas, or at least some of them, but not with your insults.
 
Have you ever heard of the saying, "You'll attract more flies with honey than with vinegar"?
 
Of course, differing values are one reason "opt out" theories of taxation won't work.  If Mr. Wilson can opt out of taxes for public education, then Ms. Sullivan should be able to opt out of taxes for military, and Mr. Huffman should be able to opt out of taxes for health care and all forms of welfare (including corporate welfare and farms), and . . . I should be able to opt out of all taxes that are increased as a result of others' tax exempt status  ;-)
 
There goes our high standard of living . . . and our quality of life . . . and any notion of justice and equality I'm interested in for my community.
 

Respectfully,
Saundra Lund
Moscow, Idaho

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.
Edmund Burke



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