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Re: Topless issue in Moscow, few words more
I swore I wouldn't post another thing about the topless issue, but...
1) I want to know why the women on the topfree site who are so proud of
their bodies and so proud to be politically free and so proud to be
ramming their idea of equality into the face of every other citizen ...
are blocking out their faces? If it's not porn then who cares? Do they
just want to be known as 'breasts'? I don't get it.
2) Also, I'd be interested to see what the voter registration in
Moscow/Latah County is by age of citizen. Just from previous trips to the
polls (you know, where you VOTE--for those who are having to now REGISTER
so they can voice their opinion on this hugely important issue while
ignoring all previous elections and issues... but I digress) I have
observed it's very heavily populated with senior citizens (whether as
voter volunteers or just voters. I was kind of worried about the last
school vote because I saw so many senior citizens and wrongly assumed they
would be voting against the bond because they didn't want to pay higher
taxes. Anyway, I will now assume that most of the senior citizens would
likely vote AGAINST allowing topless women. Of course, that is perhaps a
flawed assumption. So I guess the organizers need to get out there and
recruit a whole new voting population and get them registered. And then
once this issue is resolved (oh, please, I can't wait!) then those people
can ignore voting in any elections and any other issue that comes up, as
they have so wisely done in the past.
Annoyed,
Debbie Gray
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Muscovites for Equal Rights wrote:
> Like it or not, this issue has become international. People all over the
> world know (at least what little is being reported) about our town's new
> law.
> They are wondering why women are still being subject to sexist laws.
> I question describing this web page as pornographic. The pictures are not
> erotic or sexual (in my mind, at least) The intent was not to cause
> prurient feelings. From what I can tell, the women are just being proud of
> their womenhood. It is intent and action that makes something pornographic.
> I think this description of the pictures being "pornographic" is the crux of
> our problem. Certain people seem unable to look at a female breast without
> being turned on or offended in some way. I bet though, that if the women
> were wearing bikinis, that reviewer would still be turned on. Particularly
> if her intent was to be sexual.
> Perhaps our society is not ready to accept women as anything but sex
> objects. Hopefull this debate will cause people to at least think about why
> we object to this law and the notion that women should be banned from
> showing their breasts in public view. Perhaps the next generation will
> understand that breasts are intended to nourish life. They are part of a
> women's ability to maintain our species. Just because they can be used
> during sex, like all other parts of a woman's body, is no reason to make
> women ashamed of baring her breasts, at the very least in a place "open to
> public view."
> Other countries have caught on to the fact that granting women the same
> freedom as men in regards to baring your chest will not cause the downfall
> of that society. Hopefully someday we will understand this as well.
> I wonder if someone could share with us the scripture that says women must
> keep her breasts covered. It would be nice to know the biblical basis for
> this belief.
> Garrett Clevenger
>
>
>
> It is very noble to have a cause and believe in it. It is a very good idea
> to make a website devoted to that cause. However, using the Vision2020
> mailing list to spread email ads for pornography I think, may be a bit over
> the top.
> -Kacey
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Topfree Action" <womens_choice_org@yahoo.com>
> To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:55 PM
> Subject: Topless issue in Moscow, few words more
>
>
> >Hello and many greetings from Europe to all members of
> >this mailing list from new members - small group of
> >enthusiasts ! :)
> >
> >Reason why we have joined this list is "topless issue"
> >in your city: we are runing web site which deals with
> >question "should women have right to go topless
> >wherever men can?" I know that you saw "TERA" site
> >already - well we are simular to them, but still
> >different. We would like to show you our work,
> >especially because we were watching very carefuly all
> >what is going on with "topless issue" in Moscow and
> >elsewhere in the USA. Also, our activists have made
> >special photo dedicated to "topless car wash" in
> >Moscow - you can find that photo in "Topfree Photo
> >Album" on our page - and yes, our activists are
> >topless so if you are religious fundamentalist don`t
> >say we didn`t warn you ! :)
> >
> >We are trying to raise this subject on a higher level
> >because "topless issue" is not only issue about women
> >who wants to sunbathe or wash cars topless - there is
> >much deeper meaning of this question: from general
> >prejudices about sexuality to consequences of these
> >prejudices which are really devastating for all of us.
> >
> >
> >Ok - our site is here:
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/womens_choice_org/topfreedom.html
> >
> >We would be very thankful for any comment, critic or
> >advice - on this list or on our "Topfree mailing list"
> >or on our message board. And don`t forget to check our
> >"Topfree Photo Album" ! :)
> >
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