I was wrong

["Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>]

I've made the statement in past posts that one reason I oppose the ordinance 
is because it would turn naked children into misdemeanants. Looks like I was 
wrong, due to Subsection (D).  So now I loudly proclaim and admit, "I was 
wrong about that."

I still oppose the ordinance.

Mistakenly yours,

Sunil


>From: "Ted Moffett" <ted_moffett@hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Outlaw Men Wearing Pink Dresses At City Park
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:49:37 +0000
>
>
>EEVans, et. al.
>
>I am saying the ordinance banning topless women and not men IS
>objectively wrong for several reasons.  I am saying the simple act of a 
>women being topless in public is NOT objectively wrong.  I think the new 
>nudity ordinance is just as silly an overreaching of government power as an 
>ordinance that would ban men wearing pink dresses at the city park.  Think 
>of the traffic hazards from distracted drivers, the children confused over 
>what is proper gender defined fashion, the breakdown of the image of the 
>male macho ego if we tolerate such effeminate expression!  A few men might 
>mistake these men wearing pink dresses as women and find them attractive!  
>What horrors!
>
>Ted
>
>>>From: eevans@moscow.com
>>>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: Objective standards: Enjoy The Beautiful Summer Weather!
>>>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:15:09 GMT
>>>
>>> > EEvans:
>>> >
>>> > Do you approve of the nudity ordinance just passed by the Moscow city
>>> > council?  If so, do you think it involves legislating culturally
>>>relative
>>> > norms?  Why or why not?  You responded to the statement I made in a 
>>>post
>>>on
>>> > vision2020 that the new Moscow nudity ordinance was just legislating
>>> > culturally relative norms.  Now you ask why should anyone listen to my
>>> > reasons?   You are listening enough to reply, so why don't you answer
>>>that
>>> > question?
>>> >
>>>See below.
>>>
>>> > You are merely making abstract philosophically based objections to the
>>> > logical difficulties ANYONE will have (including you!) who tries to
>>>PROVE
>>> > their ethics are correct and someone else's differing ethics are 
>>>false.
>>> >
>>> > I never stated I think it impossible to have objective standards 
>>>across
>>>all
>>> > times and cultures.  I merely pointed out that with SOME cultural 
>>>norms,
>>>a
>>> > good case can be made that they are relative and subjective.  You 
>>>don't
>>> > think there are objective standards across all cultures and times that
>>> > command whether women wear pink or blue dresses, or whether men wear
>>>pink or
>>> > blue shirts, or do you?  I think the issue of topless women is like
>>>these
>>> > examples.  It is a culturally relative norm,
>>>
>>>What you're saying is our law which allows men, and not women, to go
>>>topless is
>>>not *objectively* wrong.
>>>
>>> > and yes, I do disagree with
>>> > people who think the ordinance does not have inconsistencies.  What
>>>makes me
>>> > right and others wrong?  If you would explain why my logic is 
>>>incorrect
>>>on
>>> > this issue, we could have a debate on this matter.  Perhaps I AM 
>>>WRONG!
>>>
>>>I don't understand why you want to debate about it. If I read you
>>>correctly,
>>>you think arguing about toplessness is like arguing blue vs. pink 
>>>dresses.
>>>I
>>>don't want to be inflamitory, so forgive me if it comes off that way. Why
>>>do
>>>you want to debate about something which you think is subjective? On an
>>>issue
>>>where there is no right or wrong, why do you argue that you are right and
>>>they
>>>are wrong? And to answer your question above, why should I get involved 
>>>in
>>>it?
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>Thanks for continuing this discussion.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>-Ed Evans
>>>
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