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Re: City Council and topless
I don't know, LuJane. Is it that the titillation of the Moscow adult
(male?) population is something we need to protect them from. Hence the
perceived need for the ordinance. I doubt any undressing you or I could do
would fall into the category of titillation.
Pam Palmer's message makes a lot of sense to me.
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: "LuJane Nisse" <lujane@lataheagle.com>
To: "'Vision2020'" <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: City Council and topless
> A cure for this bothersome problem would be for a few overweight, middle
> aged (age 50+ is middle-aged right?) saggy women - like myself - to open a
> topless car wash or maybe topless restaurant (great for the digestion).
I'd
> bet you youngsters would be high-tailing it over to city council begging
> them to make an "ugly" ordinance or enforce current nuisance-type
ordinances
> and get it nipped in the bud.
>
> *****
>
>
> <from Linda Pall>
> Dear All,
>
> I was surprised to hear that the City officials failed to issue a ticket
to
> the topless washers on the grounds of nuisance or similar ordinance
> provisions. The city's posture on ordinances is exactly the same as that
of
> Latah COunty and indeed, most of Idaho. Where was Moscow's finest, when we
> HAVE legal tools to deal with the issue?
>
> Please take some time before the City COuncil adopts another ordinance...
> allow all members of the council to be present for the discussion. I would
> be interested in sample ordinances that have withstood challenges from
other
> Idaho communities or other communities, period, before advocating a
> particular legislative route.
>
> And, while you're at it, explain why the City of Moscow's ordinances are
not
> up to it when we are in the same boat as most of the rest of Idaho.
>
> All the best,
> Linda Pall
> former City Council member
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pam Palmer" <ppalmer@moscow.com>
> To: "John Guyer" <johnguy@moscow.com>; "'Vision2020'"
> <vision2020@moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: City Council
>
>
> > Visionaries-
> >
> > It is my understanding, and perhaps Councilman Guyer can confirm this,
> that
> > the Moscow City Council will discuss several proposed nudity ordinances
on
> > July 1st, at their next Monday night council meeting. Peg Hamlett, the
> only
> > councilmember likely to speak against such an ordinance, will not be in
> town
> > for the July 1st meeting (the Council had advance notification of her
> > attendance at an annual conference). In addition, both Mayor Marshall
> > Comstock and City Supervisor Gary Riedner are out of town this week (at
> the
> > Association of Idaho Cities conference), which makes it difficult for
> > citizens to have conversations with either of them about this issue.
> >
> > I understand that three versions of an ordinance are being prepared for
> the
> > City Council to consider. I do not know the specific language in each
> > version, but a rough summary follows:
> >
> > #1 It would be unlawful for women to expose their nipples and areolas,
> > except for breastfeeding mothers.
> >
> > #2 The same as the first version, except that it would also be unlawful
to
> > show the contours of the nipples and areolas. (This means the "pasties"
> > used to cover the areolas would have to be made out of a stiffer
> material.)
> >
> > #3 It would be unlawful for women to expose their nipples, areolas or
the
> > "southern hemisphere" of the breast, again except for breastfeeding
> mothers.
> >
> > As a former City Council member who spent way too much time discussing
> such
> > an ordinance the first time around, I implore City Council not to jump
> into
> > a knee-jerk ordinance, but rather to step back and consider the longer
> term
> > picture of Moscow life.
> >
> > We've already dealt with the nudity ordinance. It hasn't presented a
> > problem until the convertible carwash opened up. If the current issue
is
> > that a business is profiting from sexual exploitation of female bodies,
> why
> > not look at model ordinances around the country that focus on "Sexually
> > Oriented Businesses" (otherwise known as SOB ordinances). It seems that
> > this is an area that would make more sense for the future of Moscow.
> >
> > Pam Palmer
> >
>
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