vision2020
Re: Low hanging fruit
Thats why I post. To make it 'too irresistable to pass up'.
1) My position is not that people who become temporarily unemployed get
assistance from the taxpayers. I am saying that the instant that things
turn for the worse, you look to the government for help? As for single
parents, I have several friends who are single parents. While they do carry
a heavy burden holding up both sides of the family, they seem to make it
work the best they can. They don't come to me crying how the 'government'
is nopt doing all it can for them.
Unemployment is welfare in its most basic sense. May be a different
'government' program, but federal and state monetary assistance none the
less. I guess dollars don't equal dollars if it comes from a differnt
budget.
I wonder how many people drawing welfare ( and unemployment benefits ) are
single young mothers with multiple children and dead beat dads who are
living on the street in abject (sp) poverty? This is a really good 'feel
how bad you are, conservative' example. Maybe we should just help everyone
with welfare ( and unemployment benefits ) and just confiscate a few more
'pennies'. Last time I looked, adding up Fed, State. Local, FICA, HI,
Sales tax, Propety Tax, Road taxes, ect, ect, ect, got to around 50 pennies
on the dollar. Sounds like a few to me...........
2) Logic - Enron = Bad -> Corporation = Bad
Binalden = Bad -> Aribic People = Bad
Can't you follow it?
3) Slander - Monica Lewinski ( I did not have sex with that woman - Miss
Lewinski ) on natioan TV. Making the remarks like she is delusional for
imagining the things that happend between them. Paula Jones - Guess she
didn't like what she was shown, huh? Katryn Willey - No harrasment there.
Every time one of these 'trists' came to light the FIRST responce from your
beloved Pres was to SLANDER the reputation of the accuser.... Get it?
4) Shmuck - Lying to a Grand Jury UNDER OATH as the President of the United
States? Not a shmuck?
5) Peace and Prosperity - Prosperity, yes - Peace no -> US Cole, US Embassy
in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, US Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, US Military in
Somolia, WTC (1st attempt). Clinton never did anything to respond to these
act of war except to lob a couple of cruise missles at a milk factory (right
when the Lewinski thing went public I might add). Must have been 'busy'
with Denise Rich and her two friends...
Prosperity - Guess it does not matter what the guy does as long as he's
blessed with a great economy, huh?
6) As for a Dem in the White house. Fine by me, as long as they agree with
most of my political positions and have some dignity and self respect. Care
more for the country than for themselves. Talk straight and keep thier
actions 'Presedential'. Too much to ask?
Mike Rush
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Dredge" <sdredge@yahoo.com>
To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Low hanging fruit
> Mike,
>
> I wasn't even going to address this post, but it's
> just too irresistable to pass up. Is there a
> connection between people who have lost their
> jobs, due to layoffs, and welfare? I'm unaware of
> this. There are unemployment benefits for some who
> have lost their jobs and on a completely unrelated
> topic there is welfare for such situations like single
> parent households where, for instance, a deadbeat dad
> has taken off and a single Mom is left with kids to
> raise and no wage earner around to pay the bills.
> Yep, and I know you're response to this is something
> along the lines of "Tough luck kid, it's too bad that
> your Mommy made a bad choice in selecting a deadbeat
> Daddy as your father, but Joe Taxpayer doesn't want
> to foot the bill for your upbringing, so get used
> to living on the streets, and in poverty, forever.
> It's your problem, not one that needs to be solved by
> a
> few pennies off of the hard earned dollars that are
> confiscated from me in the form of taxes."
>
> Regarding your Enron/bin Laden rant, who's logic are
> you pointing to? There is no logic path to follow in
> this entirely irrational paragraph, so I'm unable to
> give any type of response to this.
>
> Regarding Bill Clinton, I'm not sure of who he has
> slandered. Nor I am aware of any slander lawsuits
> filed against this, in your words, "slanderizing
> schmuck of a president". Further, thanking God that
> Clinton's administration (in which he presided over
> the longest peacetime economic expansion in the
> history of America) is in the past, is puzzling. I
> take it that you prefer the present situation of war,
> recession, and deficit spending over peace and
> prosperity? Or is it something much simpler such as
> you just can't accept having a Democrat in the White
> House?
>
> And as for faith...well, I think that's a personal
> choice and I'm happy to live in America where
> everyone is free to practice whatever religion they
> want (providing they are not hurting anyone else
> while practicing their religion) or they can practice
> no religion at all.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Scott
>
> --- Mike Rush <mike.rush@cableaz.com> wrote:
> > Yes, folks paid into the idea that working ( being a
> > self reliant part of
> > the economy ) is a good thing. It is a good thing,
> > and it does need to be
> > preserved. However, just because the economy has
> > gone into recession, do
> > you really believe that all of those who did and
> > have since lost thier jobs
> > should immediately think of becoming welfare kings
> > and queens again? Sounds
> > to me like they never bought into anything relating
> > to self reliance(except
> > the notion that a job was a necessary short term
> > inconvienence until the
> > economy stumbled).
> >
> > As for the Enron employees, the brass is being
> > considered for criminal
> > prosecution. If they are, prosecute, convict, and
> > punish them. Learn from
> > what they did and attempt to make it hard to happen
> > again. By your logic,
> > (corporate america is evil because Enron brass are
> > crooks), we should
> > consider evil, say, all arabic nationals evil since
> > Bin Laden is a crazed
> > lunatic, or all african americans are lunatics since
> > Tyson is a warped,
> > delusional, masochist).
> >
> > Do you really thing that the Enron brass would not
> > have gotten away with the
> > charade for so long under the Dem's. Oh wait, this
> > has been going on for
> > years and, if I can remember way back when, wasn't
> > that slanderizing,
> > schmuck of a President, Bill Clinton in office in
> > the recent past? (...and
> > thank God it is the past.)
> >
> > As for placing faith, God is the place, not anything
> > or anyone on or of
> > this earth.
> >
> > Mike Rush
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Cronin" <jaycron@turbonet.com>
> > To: ""Vision 2020 (E-mail)" <Vision 2020"
> > <vision2020@moscow.com>; "Mike
> > Rush" <mike.rush@cableaz.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 11:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Postpone taxcuts.
> >
> >
> > > Federal assistance? Mmm. I hardly consider
> > preserving what folks paid
> > into
> > > a call to arms. It is the right thing to do. Many
> > folks working towards
> > > self reliance have been playing by the new welfare
> > reform rules, took the
> > > training you paid for and worked those low paying
> > jobs with pride. They
> > > are now beginning to lose those jobs. But hey,
> > you're right...vote
> > > instead for those good conservatives and place all
> > your faith in corporate
> > > America . How about those Enron
> > employees....wondering if they are
> > feeling
> > > the love yet?
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From: Mike Rush <mike.rush@cableaz.com>
> > > > To: WMSteed@aol.com; sdredge@yahoo.com;
> > vision2020@moscow.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Postpone taxcuts.
> > > > Date: Sunday, February 03, 2002 8:25 PM
> > > >
> > > > When the left talks about helping those who have
> > lost their job, they
> > > mean
> > > > federal assistance. Anything they can do to
> > make people more dependant
> > > on
> > > > the government, they view as an asset. After
> > all, federal assistance
> > > > dollars is leverage for votes. "Don't vote for
> > those evil
> > conservatives,
> > > > they will take away the assistance you have
> > grown accustom to. We will
> > > > preserve it for you." This is their call to
> > arms.......
> > > >
> > > > Mike Rush
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <WMSteed@aol.com>
> > > > To: <sdredge@yahoo.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 4:29 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Postpone taxcuts.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 2/1/02 7:15:32 PM,
> > sdredge@yahoo.com writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > << I can see your individual point about how
> > lower
> > > > > taxes are allowing you to pay less tax. Have
> > you
> > > > > considered the millions of people who have
> > been
> > > > > layed off in the past several months? They're
> > > > > also paying lower taxes because their income
> > has
> > > > > been severely reduced. Do you think this type
> > of
> > > > > tax reduction for so many people is a good
> > thing? >>
> > > > >
> > > > > And exactly how is having my taxes raised
> > going to put someone back in
> > > > their
> > > > > job? Or are we talking funding welfare?
> > > > >
> > > > > Walter Steed
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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