RE: Soccer Fans Attempt to Burn American Flag

["Shahab Mesbah" <meteor2@moscow.com>]

I agree that many will stay in the beginning and many of the NATO countries
will keep up appearances but the majority of countries in the world will
not. I am not sure what you mean by those that count but I would assert that
all of them count in a democratic world. If we are not willing to accept
that then we are indeed hypocrites! I for one consider the opinion of all
people as valid. If you mean that they are important militarily then that is
a different matter. By the way most of the members of NATO are not going to
hang in there if we do not conduct ourselves justly. In fact we in this
country will not back the war if it is not conducted appropriately. I have
heard more Americans say that the ones who did this must be punished and
that the innocent people must be protected. It is more difficult... but as I
have said so many times... democracy is not easy!

"Your brother in arms"
Shahab...


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen@moscow.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 4:24 PM
To: Moscow Vision 2020
Subject: RE: Soccer Fans Attempt to Burn American Flag

Greetings -

I tend to disagree, Shahab.  Sure.  In the long run, when the going gets
tought and bloody, some allies may drop to the wayside.  But, I strongly
believe that most of them (those that truly count the US as a friend and
ally) will understand the meaning of Article 5 of the NATO Pact, fearing
that they, too, may experience a World Trade Center type of terrorist action
in their own back yard.

Tom Hansen

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shahab Mesbah [mailto:meteor2@moscow.com]
>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 3:52 PM
>To: Moscow Vision 2020
>Subject: RE: Soccer Fans Attempt to Burn American Flag
>
>
>Indeed... many parts of Europe are not as friendly as most Americans think
>them to be. Unfortunately I believe that in general the international
>support we have now will be fleeting. As I mentioned earlier this is going
>to become bad... real bad... we are talking biblical here! The result? As
>with every Dark Age we can look forward to a more civilized and just world
>on the other side. It will take time but much of what has come to pass in
>the last two centuries has been preparing the world for unity. One of the
>first things we need (and badly) is a truly universal and powerful military
>and police system supported by a universal justice system. Our current
>systems are not able to deal with the worldwide issues that increasingly
>come before us. Many consider the League of Nations a failure but if you
>look at it for what it was you will see it as a success. Like a child just
>learning to walk we have to attempt a few times before we get it right. Now
>we have the UN, which many view as worthless... but again it is a step. We
>have world court systems already and as we work the bugs out things will
>fall into place. As with geology we cannot look at the evolution of
>civilization from the individual lifetime perspective. Just as the concept
>of the Unites States of America was tried by many cultures throughout
>history and finally brought to a level that it worked the next step is upon
>us. The problems we face today cannot be solved by our old systems. We find
>ourselves in an ever increasingly world wide environment. Economy, law,
>justice, and all the other aspects of our lives are affected by increasing
>number of people around the world. We now have the rudimentary tools to
>start the next level to civilization and truly ready ourselves for a global
>world. United States of America is the very blueprint for the next step. It
>is a natural evolution of our world. Every aspect of our lives is pointing
>to that direction.
>
>"Your brother in arms"
>Shahab...
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen@moscow.com]
>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 3:18 PM
>To: Moscow Vision 2020
>Subject: Soccer Fans Attempt to Burn American Flag
>
>Greetings Visionaires -
>
>As if there isn't enough heated discussion, I was browsing
>ESPN.com, keeping
>up on college football scores, when I came across this news item.
>
>http://msn.espn.go.com/soccer/news/2001/0922/1254026.html
>
>I know that it will disgust you as much as it did me.
>
>Take heart, take care, and . . .
>
>GO VANDALS ! ! !
>
>Tom Hansen
>
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