vision2020
Re: Gun Story-SUV villification-liberals stink.
Travis,
How simple...Liberals are folks who hold beliefs you don't like.
Conservatives are everyone else. Like you, my children grew up doing the
very things you enjoy--and they still do. I have a Honda 4 wheeler and
really like to bird hunt and fish. I also relish the elk my family brings
home for meat. Am I a liberal who has gone wrong or really a closet
conservative who just happens to feel very strongly about things like choice
for women and free exercise of religion for everyone? You are one of the
few persons who seems to have everyone pegged so be sure to let me know.
The suspense is killing me.
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: Travis Tonn <vart@turbonet.com>
To: Wayne H Beebe <whbeebe@turbonet.com>; Robert C. Tindall
<rtindall@fsr.com>
Cc: Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Gun Story-SUV villification-liberals stink.
> There is a growing movement in this country, by liberals, to villify SUVs
as
> the next public enemy. The typically flawed liberal reasoning goes like
> this: SUVs are bigger than normal cars so when they get into crashes with
> smaller vehicles, their occupants don't get hurt as much. So that is
> unfair, we must outlaw SUVs so that everybody gets hurt at the same rate
as
> everybody else. SUVs are bad for the environment because of their poor gas
> mileage. They are also more macho looking and we liberals can't handle
> anything that promotes the male libido. Maleness is bad. Also, SUVs cost
> more and are more luxurious so they are typically owned by evil republican
> capitalists who are macho, hate the environment and don't care about
anyone
> else's safety, we must ban SUVs.
> If you doubt this growing movement, just read the paper the next time
> somebody gets in an accident with an SUV. If a pedestrian gets hit by a
> Ford Explorer, the headline or lead paragraph will include a statement
> similar to; "Woman struck by SUV!" or "Woman in critical condition after
> encounter with SUV!". I'm sick of liberal socialists in this country
> telling us that if we smoke, we are insensitive, stupid and downright
> morally wrong. If I like to hunt and shoot, I am pure evil. Not only do
I
> kill poor defensless creatures, but I also am some sort of a dangerous nut
> who must be monitored by the government. If I go to church and promote
> moral values I am a right wing extremist(unless its some sort of hip
> Hollywood nature-based religion) who wants to force my morals on everybody
> else and blow up abortion clinics. I'm tired of their name calling and
> attempts to outlaw or overtax everything that I associate with my culture.
> I grew up hunting and fishing and off-roading and shooting and going to
> church. That is my culture and the liberals in this country can't stand
any
> of it and are tireless in their efforts to either ban it, tax it, outlaw
it
> or make you look like a creep if you partake in it. Conservatives had
> better wake up and get a hundred times more aggressive in their efforts to
> preserve common sense and decency in this country. Use the courts as a
tool
> to change things like the liberals do. stop infighting and concentrate
your
> anger and frustration at liberals. How often do you hear liberals trash
> each other? Not very. Republicans make a sport out of it. And finally,
> Don't be ashamed to be a conservative! Proclaim it loudly and often, get
> those politically incorrect bumper stickers. Don't be afraid to stick up
> for common sense and morals. After all, you are right!!!-----Original
> Message-----
> From: Robert C. Tindall <rtindall@fsr.com>
> To: Wayne H Beebe <whbeebe@turbonet.com>
> Cc: Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
> Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 9:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Gun Story
>
>
> >You've eloquently stated precisely what troubles me about this. Driving
is
> >a privilege. There are extensive laws and limitations on the manufacture
> >and operation of motor vehicles. There were over 41,000 traffic related
> >deaths.
> >
> >So what do we do about this? Do we pass more laws? I see no national
> >movement to further limit ownership of automobiles, and I suspect if
those
> >who do not own or operate an automobile tried to do so they would be
> >pilloried by those who do not want their ability to drive to the mall
> >further restricted.
> >
> >41,471 people killed, contless more injured to various degrees. How much
> >does that cost us in health care, lost productivity, and disrupted lives?
> >Where is the effort to stem the tide of blood on our nation's streets?
> >
> >At 09:26 PM 11/19/99 -0800, Wayne H Beebe wrote:
> >>Let's see, there are licensing laws.
> >>There are auto registration laws
> >>There are laws dealing with legal age to drive
> >>There are laws governing speed
> >>There are laws governing drinking and driving
> >>There are laws requiring safety features on vehicles
> >>There are laws that permit confiscation of a vehicle
> >>There are laws that allow implied consent.
> >>There are laws dealing with environmental issues.
> >>There are laws requiring insurance.
> >>There are laws that insure proper traffic flow.
> >>
> >>No they haven't prevented all deaths, but consider how much higher they
> >>would be if we considered driving a right (as in the case of guns)
rather
> >>than a privilege.
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Robert C. Tindall <rtindall@fsr.com>
> >>To: Wayne H Beebe <whbeebe@turbonet.com>
> >>Cc: Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
> >>Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 4:49 PM
> >>Subject: Re: Gun Story
> >>
> >>
> >>According to the NHTSA there were 41,471 traffic fatalities in 1998.
> >>
> >>I wonder how many automotive control laws are pending to solve this
crisis
> >>in
> >>our country.
> >>
> >>At 04:07 PM 11/19/99 -0800, Wayne H Beebe wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I don't know if any of you saw this story about gun violence. I
thought
> I
> >>> would send it to you just in case.
> >>> Note there were 39,000 deaths due to guns in the last year. A
decrease,
> >>yes,
> >>> but look at the last comment at the end of the article
> >>
> >
> >
>
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