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Re: The Truth!



At 10:14 PM 2/12/2001 -0800, Travis & Julie Tonn wrote:
>Why can't we wise up as a society and learn from the past?

It looks like this whole discussion is taking place under the assumption 
that history is linear, that things have a tendency to get better 
(optimistic) or worse (pessimistic), or even chaotic (history is a 
struggle, where any outcome is achievable).  Socrates, or one of his 
colleagues, is also on the record talking about how the world is going to 
hell in a hand basket; youth has no respect for elders, etc.  If the world 
had gone steadily worse since then, the human race would have long ceased 
to exist.

Yet, there is another way of analyzing history, and that is to view history 
as cyclical.  This view is predominant in China, but there are many 
analyses of Western history using this method.  The most recent is a book 
called "The Fourth Turning" by Stauss & Howe (Web site at 
http://www.fourthturning.com/).  Basically, a generation lasts about 20-25 
years, and there are four generational archetypes that cycle through 
history in sequence.  So the Heroes of World War II had one type of 
attitude, but their children were not carbon copies, but the "Artists" of 
the 1960s who had a whole different kind of attitude and who influenced 
American history as decisively as their parents, but in a radically 
different way.  Children of the Artists have their own archetype 
("Prophet"), and if you are a child of the '60's, you know that you've 
changed your slogan from "don't trust any one over 30" to "don't trust any 
one UNDER 30."  Our children are not our mirror images; why would we expect 
them to be?  The generation to follow the Prophets are characterized by 
Strauss and Howe as Nomads.  The names are somewhat contrived; the point is 
that there is a 4-phase cycle that runs through history, and the book makes 
a very strong argument that these cycles are very regular, and these 
generational types arise predictably and influence our culture and history 
as predicably.

What does this have to do with the posting "The Truth!"?  There is much 
truth to the original posting, but it overlooks the point that grandpa's 
generation was part of a trend, for good or bad, and so are current events 
and attitudes.  Things will swing back again.  Strauss and Howe predict 
that by 2005, we will enter a Crisis, the type of period in which the Hero 
generation is born.  While there is no telling what kind of crisis will 
arise, the generation that deals with it will be just as sacrificing, 
obedient, and proud as the GI's who fought the Second World War.

I think it is also necessary to point out that "The Truth!" is already 
losing its relevance as a commentary on society; it is a much better 
commentary on the situation of 5-10 years ago.  But (as Strauss & Howe 
point out), the signs of societal "decay" are receding.  Teenage pregnancy 
is declining, as are rates of divorce, violent crime, drug use, and various 
forms of malaise that have affected our society.  Marriage is getting more 
popular, and women are increasingly likely to stay at home and raise their 
children than be part of a two-income latch-key family or a single-parent 
household.  Please note that I am not placing value judgements on this; all 
I am saying is that the pendulum is swinging in the other direction.

Nostalgia is sweet, but any psychologist will tell you that memories become 
fonder as they get more distant.  That is another issue at play here.

Bob Hoffmann
846 Mabelle St.
Moscow, ID  83843

Tel: 208 883-0642
Fax: 877 495-2279




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