DISCUSSION/New Fire Station #3

["Kenton Bird" <kentonbird@hotmail.com>]

Visionaries:
Jon Kimberling asked me to post this because it was returned to him by the 
list. I looked at the V2020 archives, but was unable to find this message.  
If you've already seen it, please forgive the duplication.
--Kenton
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Kimberling" <n-k-ins@moscow.com>
To: <WMSteed@aol.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com>
Cc: "Greg McCracken" <gmccracken@ckarchitects.com>; "Greg Castellaw"
<gcastellaw@ckarchitects.com>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Fire Station 3


>Walter- first clarification- it's not my site. The City knew the site
costs
>would be higher but when you look at the locations of the two existing
>stations and where Moscow is likely to grow, a location on the North
>outskirts of town made perfect sense. Higher site development costs was
one
>of the negatives of this site. Other locations were considered. This one
was
>determined to be the best. I was not involved in that process so I can't
>give you details on what other locations were considered.
>
>The list of specific items that went into the site development costs fills
>up three pages- retaining walls, gravel, asphalt, pavement, storm drains,
>fire hydrants, ect. just to name a few. Your perception is that the cost
is
>too high. Mine is somewhat different. I believe the original cost
estimates
>the City received were accurate. The architects work-up confirms that. The
>ultimate indicator is the bids. What will the contractor require?
>
>I personally sat in on most of the design meetings. Not once did the
>committee hesitate to debate how to keep costs down. I suspect that if we
>had information from other communities in the Northwest that have built
fire
>stations we would see that we are getting our monies worth. Any comparison
>with Sixth Street Station has limited value because the total cost
estimate
>for the fire station includes all the equipment needed to operate a fire
>station. Apples and oranges.
>
>I appreciate your interest in safeguarding the taxpayers dollar. It's a
>concern I share with you. Thanks for the input.
>
>Jon Kimberling
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <WMSteed@aol.com>
>To: <n-k-ins@moscow.com>; <WMSteed@aol.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:28 PM
>Subject: Re: Fire Station 3
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 9/26/02 11:19:16 AM, n-k-ins@moscow.com writes:
> >
> > << The site development costs exceed
> >
> > $600,000, roughly 1/3 of the project cost. >>
> >
> > Jon, then maybe you needed a different site.  My Panorama Drive
>subdivision
> > earth work was only $100,000 for a third of a mile of street and 33 lots
> > prepared for sale.
> >
> > <<shows a building SF cost of $89.00/SF.>>  Again, my way to compute sq.
>ft.
> > building costs is on total project costs, not just the building itself.
>What
> > is the size of the building?  Your figures show it to be 21,350 sq. ft.
>($2.5
> > million less $600,000 and the result divided by $89)  I thought it was
>about
> > half that.
> >
> > I have been told Sixth Street Station is going to run about $120 per sq.
>foot
> > finished including  all costs and the Univ. new building at 6th and Line
> > about $150 furnished; again including all costs.  My memory from the
bond
> > issue was the fire station was $285 per sq. ft. when the $2.5 million
bond
> > was divided by the announced sq. footage.
> >
> > Walter Steed



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