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RE: Topless issue in Moscow, few words more
Greetings Visionaires -
Judging by some of the postings, it has become painfully clear that some of
you simply do not get it. It is not a matter of nudity (at least not to
me). It is a matter of choice. To put it more distinctly:
I support Roe v. Wade, but I am not pro-abortion.
I am against Moscow Ordinance 2002-13, but I do not care to see the streets
of Moscow crowded with topless women.
It is a matter at the most fundamental level: freedom to choose. Don't
tell people how to dress. Trust that they will choose to dress
appropriately.
In closing . . .
I am pro-choice and I vote,
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
P.S. - Last time I did not cast a ballot I was too young to vote.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kacey Krehbiel [mailto:kaceyk@moscow.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:28 AM
> To: Muscovites for Equal Rights; vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: Re: Topless issue in Moscow, few words more
>
>
> I have a question for the Muscovites for Equal Rights,
>
> Is there a reason that your name is not Muscovites for Equal Rights and
> Equal Responsibilities? Do you believe that we should all be
> allowed to do
> the same things, but women do not have to do some things that men
> must? And
> vice versa.
>
> Also, if you believe that we need to stop thinking of women's bodies as
> sexual objects, why not men's bodies as well. Maybe we should all walk
> around naked. Perhaps the name of your group should be Muscovites for
> Nudism. Saying that breasts are okay to show to everyone because they
> 'nourish life' is ridiclous, everything on the body is used to
> sustain life,
> does that mean that we should be able to show our entire bodies?
> It is only
> logic.
>
> Disgusted,
> -Kacey Krehbiel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Muscovites for Equal Rights"
> <wearemuscovitesforequalrights@hotmail.com>
> To: <vision2020@moscow.com>; <kaceyk@moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Topless issue in Moscow, few words more
>
>
> > Like it or not, this issue has become international. People
> all over the
> > world know (at least what little is being reported) about our town's new
> > law.
> > They are wondering why women are still being subject to sexist laws.
> > I question describing this web page as pornographic. The
> pictures are not
> > erotic or sexual (in my mind, at least) The intent was not to cause
> > prurient feelings. From what I can tell, the women are just being proud
> of
> > their womenhood. It is intent and action that makes something
> pornographic.
> > I think this description of the pictures being "pornographic"
> is the crux
> of
> > our problem. Certain people seem unable to look at a female breast
> without
> > being turned on or offended in some way. I bet though, that if
> the women
> > were wearing bikinis, that reviewer would still be turned on.
> Particularly
> > if her intent was to be sexual.
> > Perhaps our society is not ready to accept women as anything but sex
> > objects. Hopefull this debate will cause people to at least think about
> why
> > we object to this law and the notion that women should be banned from
> > showing their breasts in public view. Perhaps the next generation will
> > understand that breasts are intended to nourish life. They are
> part of a
> > women's ability to maintain our species. Just because they can be used
> > during sex, like all other parts of a woman's body, is no reason to make
> > women ashamed of baring her breasts, at the very least in a
> place "open to
> > public view."
> > Other countries have caught on to the fact that granting women the same
> > freedom as men in regards to baring your chest will not cause
> the downfall
> > of that society. Hopefully someday we will understand this as well.
> > I wonder if someone could share with us the scripture that says
> women must
> > keep her breasts covered. It would be nice to know the
> biblical basis for
> > this belief.
> > Garrett Clevenger
> >
> >
> >
> > It is very noble to have a cause and believe in it. It is a very good
> idea
> > to make a website devoted to that cause. However, using the Vision2020
> > mailing list to spread email ads for pornography I think, may be a bit
> over
> > the top.
> > -Kacey
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Topfree Action" <womens_choice_org@yahoo.com>
> > To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:55 PM
> > Subject: Topless issue in Moscow, few words more
> >
> >
> > >Hello and many greetings from Europe to all members of
> > >this mailing list from new members - small group of
> > >enthusiasts ! :)
> > >
> > >Reason why we have joined this list is "topless issue"
> > >in your city: we are runing web site which deals with
> > >question "should women have right to go topless
> > >wherever men can?" I know that you saw "TERA" site
> > >already - well we are simular to them, but still
> > >different. We would like to show you our work,
> > >especially because we were watching very carefuly all
> > >what is going on with "topless issue" in Moscow and
> > >elsewhere in the USA. Also, our activists have made
> > >special photo dedicated to "topless car wash" in
> > >Moscow - you can find that photo in "Topfree Photo
> > >Album" on our page - and yes, our activists are
> > >topless so if you are religious fundamentalist don`t
> > >say we didn`t warn you ! :)
> > >
> > >We are trying to raise this subject on a higher level
> > >because "topless issue" is not only issue about women
> > >who wants to sunbathe or wash cars topless - there is
> > >much deeper meaning of this question: from general
> > >prejudices about sexuality to consequences of these
> > >prejudices which are really devastating for all of us.
> > >
> > >
> > >Ok - our site is here:
> > >
> > >http://www.geocities.com/womens_choice_org/topfreedom.html
> > >
> > >We would be very thankful for any comment, critic or
> > >advice - on this list or on our "Topfree mailing list"
> > >or on our message board. And don`t forget to check our
> > >"Topfree Photo Album" ! :)
> > >
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