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RE: Homosexuals Can "Come Out" of Homosexuality
John:
If you look more into the issue you will find that those that have
successfully "come out of their homosexuality" have actually been closer
to bi-sexual on the Kinsey Scale and have "chosen" to ignore part of
their sexual nature. To repeat your quote below, with my emphasis added
""sexual orientation, once thought to be an unchanging trait, is
actually quite flexible for SOME people."
Can't be cured, because I don't have a disease,
Brad Neuman
bradneuman@moscow.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Harrell [mailto:johnbharrell@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 11:13 PM
> To: Jim Smith; vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: Homosexuals Can "Come Out" of Homosexuality
>
>
> Hello Jim,
>
> You said,
>
> > I believe that homosexuality
> > is in fact a trait or condition such as hair color or which
> hand you
> > automatically use to write with. A homosexual can decide
> not to engage in
> > homosexual acts, but that does not make them heterosexual
> and by the same
> > token a heterosexual can decide to engage in homosexual
> acts, but that does
> > not make them a homosexual.
>
> Many dont seem to agree with you, including homosexuals.
>
> Here are some websites of organizations that help
> "homosexuals" "come out" of
> homosexuality.
> - www.pfox.org "Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays"
> - www.exodusnorthamerica.org "Exodus International North America"
> - www.narth.com "National Association for Research and
> Therapy of
> Homosexuality (NARTH)"
>
> They have many stories of people that "come out" of
> homosexuality on the above listed websites.
>
> Some of the most famous are:
> - Anne Heche
> - Sinead O'Connor
> - Julie Cypher who had as "partner" Melissa Etheridge
>
> And many homosexuals bounce from gay to straight to gay to
> straight so many times it sure seems a choice, albeit a very
> confusing one as has been "coming out" in the literature.
> Here is the most recent:
>
> The American Psychological Association's prestigious journal
> Professional Psychology: Research and Practice has just published a
> comprehensive research paper on sexual-orientation change. Clients
> have the right to pursue change, the author says, because "sexual
> orientation, once thought to be an unchanging trait, is actually
> quite flexible for some people."
>
> (Dr. Warren Throckmorton, "Initial Empirical and Clinical Findings
> Concerning the Change Process for Ex-Gays," has been published in
> the June 2002 issue of the American Psychological Association's
> publication Professional Psychology: Research and Practice.)
>
>
> You also said,
>
> > Homosexuality has been with humans since there have been humans and
> > other
> > primates also exhibit this trait -- it is natural. And
> what comes to us
> > naturally can hardly be considered a sin or even abnormal.
> The worst that
> > can be said is that homosexuality is a minority trait, just
> as being
> > left-handed is.
>
> Better be careful here, pedophilia can fall into this same
> category and I dont
> think you want say that just because it is natural for some
> that the worse that
> we can say about it is it is a minority trait, just as being
> left-handed is.
>
> The argument that "if it feels good do it", or "it seems
> natural" does not
> necessarily make it right. It can still be considered wrong;
> and a sin
> according to biblical standards. By whose standards should we
> be deciding
> these issues?
>
> In a previous email, Melynda Huskey has decided that she gets
> to make that
> determination where she responds to a question, "That's an
> easy one! No,
> a public school can't teach that God says sodomy is wrong. But it can
> teach that some religions hold that belief."
>
> When is it my turn?
>
> Living In His Great And Glorious Kingdom,
> John Harrell
>
>
>
> --- Jim Smith <jimsmithdeary@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The discussion about "who do I have to rent to," is missing
> a very important
> > point. Being a homosexual is not a choice. I believe
> that homosexuality
> > is in fact a trait or condition such as hair color or which hand you
> > automatically use to write with. A homosexual can decide
> not to engage in
> > homosexual acts, but that does not make them heterosexual
> and by the same
> > token a heterosexual can decide to engage in homosexual
> acts, but that does
> > not make them a homosexual.
> > Homosexuality has been with humans since there have been
> humans and other
> > primates also exhibit this trait -- it is natural. And
> what comes to us
> > naturally can hardly be considered a sin or even abnormal.
> The worst that
> > can be said is that homosexuality is a minority trait, just
> as being
> > left-handed is. I cannot understand why people spend so
> much energy hating
> > other people that just happen to be different than they are
> -- or perhaps
> > people see themselves in other people who are different and
> are afraid. I
> > don't know the answers, but I do know that a person who is
> intolerant of
> > anyone who is different than they are is a bigot. And a
> bigot is a bigot
> > regardless of their sexual orientation or their religion or
> which hand they
> > write with.
> > One really good answer to this dilemma we seem to be in
> is the very old
> > and very common suggestion to just love you neighbor.
> > Love to all, Jim
> >
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