Re: Who is Ivan?

["J. Sullivan" <jsullivan@moscow.com>]

I am not sure how to get off the vision2020 list, but please take me off. This is
the only place I get a virus sent to me in ALL the email I receive. It is just not
worth the hassle anymore.

Thank you,
Janesta Sullivan

Bob Hoffmann wrote:

> At 08:34 AM 1/6/2002 -0500, Nance Ceccarelli wrote:
> >Who is IVAN?  and why do I (via the vision 2020 mail list) continue to receive
> >emails that make absolutely no sense to me???  I keep reading that these are
> >"re: >>>topic of interest<<<" - and then find out that it is a waste of my
> >time.  PLEASE STOP - or be selective in your "to" line.
>
> According to the "Who Is Listening" page of Vision 2020,
> cyclone@panet.co.yu has "No Name Available."  The email address is from
> Yugoslavia, although this may be faked.
>
> It is my belief that Ivan is either a spammer (purveyor of unsolicited
> commercial email), or someone with a virus on his computer, or both.  There
> are cases where list serves (like Vision 2020) and moderated email
> newsletters are targeted by spammers, as they are a rich source of active
> email addresses.
>
> Here is some advice that will reduce the problem, but not eliminate it:
>
> Don't cc: (send a copy to) someone who is already on the list.  This will
> result in them receiving two emails, one addressed to v2020, and one
> addressed directly to them.  And then they'll probably receive double the
> messages from Ivan and his ilk.
>
> Don't include email addresses in the body of the message you
> send.  Including cyclone@panet.co.yu, for instance, might guarantee that
> Ivan sends one of these obnoxious emails to himself (although the email
> address is probably a fake).
>
> There are some technical solutions to reduce the use of list serves by
> spammers, but most system administrators and moderators don't have -- or
> take -- the time to implement them.
>
> The "List Maintainer" of Vision 2020 can be reached at
> owner-vision2020@moscow.com.  While v2020 is an unmoderated list, I think
> it is reasonable to point out any misuse of the list, technical problems,
> apparent spammers & virus-plagued list members, etc., to the List Moderator.
>
> Those of you with more interest or technical expertise in this issue might
> like to see the documents posted at
> http://blank.org/memory/busted/index2.htm.  Briefly, a group of spammers
> was causing difficulties for an Internet Service Provider, so he hacked
> into their computers, disabled their spamming software, and copied their
> internal documents, posting them on the Internet to expose and embarrass
> them.  "Not exactly legal," but fascinating.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Bob Hoffmann
> 846 Mabelle St.
> Moscow, ID  83843
>
> Tel: 208 883-0642