Re: Not THAT big a deal.

["Sue Hovey" <suehovey@moscow.com>]

I agree, PC apologized and it's a good idea to drop this discussion.  If he
chooses to remove himself for a while, that's fine, but it should be his
choice.  And frankly, when I read Mr. Shahib's first posting I felt that he
needed to look inwardly as much as outwardly for the reasons
his business failed.  I didn't respond because I don't feel inclined to
respond to every message posted here, particularly those that are emotional
rather than substantial.   If I wait for a while someone else
will say what I wanted to, and probably say it better.

Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Lohrmann <timlohr@yahoo.com>
To: vision2020@moscow.com <vision2020@moscow.com>
Date: Saturday, January 22, 2000 6:02 PM
Subject: Not THAT big a deal.


>Visionaries,
>I agree that someone using off-color language, etc. is
>unpleasant, but I don't think this is all that serious
>an offense. Besides, the guy(PC)admitted his mistake
>and apologized.
>
>Everyone has the right to screw up from time to time.
>Let's not make a federal case out of this.
>In the grand scheme of things, it's really not a big
>deal.
>      TL
>
>--- Wayne H Beebe <whbeebe@turbonet.com> wrote:
>>  As far as avoiding sanctions or vision 2020 police:
>>
>> I believe that once when the person crosses the line
>> of civility it is
>> because that person is out of control.  The sole
>> purpose of a time out is
>> for the person to regain control and to allow all
>> other parties time to
>> refocus on issues rather than personalities.
>> Hopefully, once the person
>> comes back on line everyone will have moved on from
>> the mistake and the
>> person will be welcomed back with open arms.
>>
>> As far as eliminating a person from the list if s/he
>> continues to cross the
>> line is concerned, there are some people out there
>> who will want to dominate
>> the board even when they are being ignored--they are
>> called Trolls.  They
>> can ruin a board if not put in check right away.
>>
>> Now I am not saying PC is a troll.  I am saying  he
>> violated the ethics of
>> the board and,as a consequence, should voluntarily
>> cool it a while.  I am
>> suggesting that he--or anyone else who crosses the
>> line should, out of
>> respect for this board, take a cooling off period.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Cronin" <jaycron@turbonet.com>
>> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 11:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: Crossing the line
>>
>>
>> > I agree that demonstrating respect to all members
>> is critically important,
>> > however I am uncomfortable with a parental
>> approach like time out or
>> > censoring the content of the posts. I  enjoy the
>> emotional responses to
>> > this list but as Bill London has pointed out, we
>> are all responsible to
>> > avoid being petty and mean-spirited.  Those
>> members who  repeatedly
>> >  violate the shared values of Vision 2020 do so at
>> the risk of losing the
>> > respect of this virtual community.  As a natural
>> consequence, they will
>> > be ignored. What could be a better way than that
>> to encourage civility?
>> >
>> > Mr. Cooper's apology seems genuine to me but
>> everyone needs to decide that
>> > for themselves. Let's try to  avoid sanctions or
>> vision 2020 police.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > ----------
>> > From: Wayne H Beebe <whbeebe@turbonet.com>
>> > To: Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
>> > Subject: Crossing the line
>> > Date: Saturday, January 22, 2000 9:54 AM
>> >
>> > The recent exchange between PC and Shahab caused
>> me to recall just a few
>> > months ago when someone was emailing trash to
>> other members on this list.
>> > While I am not accusing anyone of anything, I do
>> think that we do need to
>> > show everyone respect.  We may have different
>> opinions, but we all have a
>> > right to them.  Someone once said you can only
>> begin to understand others
>> > when you walk in their shoes.  For Shahab, his
>> complaint is legitimate.
>> > Others may not see it that way, but we do have to
>> respect him.
>> >
>> > If anyone finds anyone else crossing the line,
>> that person should be
>> called
>> > on it, and I think the person crossing the line
>> should cool it for a given
>> > amount of time, like a month.  He or she can still
>> read what comes accross
>> > the list, but should not be welcomed to respond to
>> anything.  If such
>> > behavior continues he or she should be removed
>> from this list.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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