Re: Guns

[Robert Hoffmann <escape@alt-escape.com>]

I'm sorry that this inconveniences you, but this seems acceptable under
second amendment logic that I've been reading here.

Firearms shall be permitted so citizens of the U.S. can overthrow their
government if they choose.

You are not a citizen of the U.S., and we'd rather not have Aliens
overthrowing our government.

The second amendment says nothing about sport shooting or hunting, so you
can't appeal to the constitution for possession for these purposes.

At 11:46 AM 09/20/1999 -0700, sec@moscow.com wrote:
>
>> At 10:40 AM 9/20/99 , you wrote:
>> >then please tell me why my constitutional rights have been refused
>> >in Washington State, where if I even touch a firearm, I am guilty of a
>> >felony? I have committed no crime, broken no law (that I know of), never
>> >even been charged (oh, a speeding ticket which I paid) yet I am
>> >classified as a Criminal Felon in the eyes of the State of Washington,
>> >please tell me how that serves the "public safety"?
>> 
>> can you explain this to me?
>
>I am a legal resident alien (I jumped through all the hoops and all 
>the incorrect information I was told by INS), I came here when I met 
>and fell in love with a Moscow woman and decided I wanted our 
>children to be born in a more or less free country, not the socalistic 
>dictatorship that Canada has become, after I had been here 2 
>years I inquired of the Whitman County Sherrifs office about getting 
>a concealed carry permit for Washington State because I was 
>traveling to Spokane quite a bit for business, I was told I would 
>need a "Alien FireArms Permit", I made inquiries, and found out 
>that to get the alien firearm permit, I would have to go through the 
>whole immigration process all over again, all the clearances, letter 
>from the Canadian Govt that I was not a felon, (this despite the fact 
>that I had purchased several firearms here in Idaho from a federaly 
>licenced dealer and had been cleared time and again).
>
>I was then informed that since I didn't live in Washington, I would 
>not be granted the permit no mater what, but that the law would 
>still apply to me RE: firearms in Washington. I was classified under 
>Washington Law the same as a violent criminal, unable to touch or 
>posses firearms, if my wife and I were to go to a competition shoot 
>in washington state, we would have to take separate cars because 
>me being in the car with her firearms would constitute 
>"possession". and I of course would not be able to take part except 
>to watch.
>
>here is the whole act
>
>RCW 9.41.170  Alien's license to carry firearms--Exception. 
>(1) It is a class C felony for any person who is not a citizen of
>the United States to carry or possess any firearm, without first
>having obtained an alien firearm license from the director of
>licensing.  In order to be eligible for a license, an alien must
>provide proof that he or she is lawfully present in the United
>States, which the director of licensing shall verify through the
>appropriate authorities.  Except as provided in subsection (2)(a)
>of this section, and subject to the additional requirements of
>subsection (2)(b) of this section, the director of licensing may
>issue an alien firearm license only upon receiving from the consul
>domiciled in this state representing the country of the alien, a
>certified copy of the alien's criminal history in the alien's
>country indicating the alien is not ineligible under RCW 9.41.040
>to own, possess, or control a firearm, and the consul's attestation
>that the alien is a responsible person.
>      (2)(a) Subject to the additional requirements of (b) of this
>subsection, the director of licensing may issue an alien firearm
>license without a certified copy of the alien's criminal history or
>the consul's attestation required by subsection (1) of this
>section, if the alien has been a resident of this state for at
>least two years and:  (i) The alien is from a country without a
>consul domiciled within this state, or (ii) the consul has failed
>to provide, within ninety days after a request by the alien, the
>criminal history or attestation required by subsection (1) of this
>section.
>      (b) Before issuing an alien firearm license under subsection
>(1) of this section or this subsection (2), the director of
>licensing shall ask the local law enforcement agency of the
>jurisdiction in which the alien resides to complete a background
>and fingerprint check to determine the alien's eligibility under
>RCW 9.41.040 to own, possess, or control a firearm.  The law
>enforcement agency shall complete a background check within 
>thirty
>days after the request, unless the alien does not have a valid
>Washington driver's license or Washington state identification
>card.  In the latter case, the law enforcement agency shall
>complete the background check within sixty days after the request.
>      A signed application for an alien firearm license shall
>constitute a waiver of confidentiality and written request that the
>department of social and health services, mental health
>institutions, and other health care facilities release information
>relevant to the applicant's eligibility for an alien firearm
>license to an inquiring law enforcement agency.
>      (3) The alien firearm license shall be valid for five years
>from the date of issue so long as the alien is lawfully present in
>the United States.  The nonrefundable fee, paid upon application,
>for the five-year license shall be fifty-five dollars plus
>additional charges imposed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation
>that are passed on to the applicant.  The fee shall be distributed
>as follows:
>      (a) Fifteen dollars shall be paid to the department of
>licensing;
>      (b) Twenty-five dollars shall be paid to the Washington state
>patrol; and
>      (c) Fifteen dollars shall be paid to the local law enforcement
>agency conducting the background check.
>      (4) This section shall not apply to Canadian citizens resident
>in a province which has an enactment or public policy providing
>substantially similar privilege to residents of the state of
>Washington and who are carrying or possessing weapons for the
>purpose of using them in the hunting of game while such persons 
>are
>in the act of hunting, or while on a hunting trip, or while such
>persons are competing in a bona fide trap or skeet shoot or any
>other organized contest where rifles, pistols, or shotguns are
>used.  Nothing in this section shall be construed to allow aliens
>to hunt or fish in this state without first having obtained a
>regular hunting or fishing license.  [1996 c 295 § 11; 1994 c 190
>§ 1; 1979 c 158 § 3; 1969 ex.s. c 90 § 1; 1953 c 109 § 1.  Prior: 
>1911 c 52 § 1; RRS § 2517-1.]
>
>
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