vision2020
RE: How much is that doggie sniffing my car...
try the (somewhat normal) reaction of petting the dog and see what happens....
johnt
On Thursday, November 19, 1998 10:06 AM, Cooper, Maj Philip S. CCJ1 [SMTP:cooperps@centcom.mil] wrote:
> Curley, that's pretty good. I recently returned from an inspection of the
> US Embassy in Cairo. When I was processing through Customs in Chicago, I
> heard a faint "sniffing" noise below and to my right. When I looked down I
> saw a little beagle with his nose against my briefcase. Attached to him was
> a leash and to that, a large Customs Agent. I also had a bag of German
> chocolate hanging on the inside of my briefcase so my comment to the agent
> was, "He must smell the chocolate". His response was that it was not the
> chocolate as they were trained only to alert on certain items and were
> pretty disciplined. He asked who I was and where I had been. After letting
> him know, I offered him my case for inspection. He declined at first but
> upon my insistence, he checked the pocket and did not find anything. The
> entire scenario was cordial and professional and when he was done I went on
> my way with no problem. My conclusion of this incident was that animals can
> and do make mistakes but the personnel who handle them know this and take it
> into consideration. Cheers.
>
> PC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: curley@mail.turbonet.com [SMTP:curley@mail.turbonet.com]
> Sent: November 19,1998 04:51
> To: 'Kenneth Gallant'; Erikus4@aol.com; Cooper, Maj Philip S.
> CCJ1
> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: RE: How much is that doggie sniffing my car...
>
> One other point we might want to consider when evaluating any law
> enforcement method is the likelihood of "false positives" and the
> consequences thereof. Here, for example, if a dog "targets" my
> vehicle and it does not contain an illegal substance, will I then
> become a "suspect" of the police and subject to increased scrutiny?
>
> Obviously, I could be completely innocent--never had any drugs in
> the
> car and the dog is picking up on something else for whatever
> reason--or not so innocent--had drugs in there a few minutes earlier
>
> but was out delivering them when the dog approached--or in between,
> my wife, brother, child, neighbor (maybe all 4?) had drugs in the
> car
> previously. Cars are not like underwear, for example. Just
> because you find something illegal in them doesn't mean the occupant
>
> put it there or even knew about it. While we might drive our
> spouse's, sibling's, child's or neighbor's car, we aren't likely to
> wear his/her/their underwear, unless we live in certain parts of
> California or the underwear has a really cool pattern. . .
> I'm wondering if the next step in law enforcement will be a trained
> animals that detect illegal aliens. I can imagine the training
> course.
> Actually, I confess to realizing that I am being biased in my
> thinking. I probably would go along with the sniffing activities if
>
> it could be conducted by cats--you know, your average household
> tabby. I can see it now. Three officers straining to hold back
> Buttercup as she pulls them inexorably toward the offending vehicle,
>
> leaps in the occupant's lap and nestles in purring while rights are
> read and trunks are searched. Yesma'mandsir, if we can get some
> trained puss to keep us safe from ourselves, I'll vote for it--cause
>
> I'm betting the independent little cusses will never learn to resist
>
> an open can of 9 Lives in the trunk--or maybe an unopened can.
> There
> won't be much threat of continued surveillance if there's a false
> positive in those circumstances.
>
>
> From: "Cooper, Maj Philip S. CCJ1" <cooperps@centcom.mil>
> To: "'Kenneth Gallant'" <gallantk@uidaho.edu>,
> Erikus4@aol.com
> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: RE: How much is that doggie sniffing my car...
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:06:18 -0500
>
> Get a grip. It's the folks who are doing something wrong that have
> the
> worry. Funny how people cry about their rights being violated but
> when
> something serious occurs, its...."How could you let this happen" and
> " Where
> were you"....seems like everyone wants to play the "I'm a victim
> routine"
> these days.
>
> PC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Gallant [SMTP:gallantk@uidaho.edu]
> Sent: November 18,1998 19:50
> To: Erikus4@aol.com
> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: Re: How much is that doggie sniffing my
> car...
>
> I would be interested in determining the pattern of cars
> that are
> approached, at times when the police officers do not know
> that they
> are
> being watched. It would be interesting to see if older cars
> or
> sites at
> which a high percentage of those present are often of
> Hispanic
> origin and
> not well off. Based on my (little) knowledge of the
> politics of the
> area,
> I wonder whether this campaign is being targeted at poor
> Hispanic
> people.
> Or the non-wealthy in general.
>
> I do not recommend keeping any "smell alike" substance in
> your
> trunk. If
> this search program is legal (as I hope it is not but fear
> that it
> is), a
> hit on the smell alike substance will not vitiate the
> legality of
> the
> search. And it will mark you as someone the cops want to
> continue
> to take
> a look at.
>
> Kenneth S. Gallant
> Professor of Law
> University of Idaho
> Moscow, Idaho 83844-2322 USA
> 208-885-6541 (phone)
> 208-885-4628 (fax)
> gallantk@uidaho.edu
>
> On Wed, 18 Nov 1998 Erikus4@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > Under the plan, the drug dogs would be able to
> search
> anywhere
> > >the general public is allowed to go. They wouldn't be
> able to
> > >search private property.
> >
> > Well, thank goodness for that. Only a semi-police state.
> >
> > The obvious answer is to find a legal substance that the
> dogs will
> hit on, and
> > tell everyone to keep a small quantity in their trunk.
> Anyone
> know of such a
> > substance?
> >
> > And please note that I'm not defending drug users or
> dealers. I
> just hate
> > excessive police tactics that go against everything
> American.
> >
> > E. O'Daniel
> >
>
> Mike Curley
> reply to: curley@turbonet.com
> 208-882-3536
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