vision2020@moscow.com: Re: bicycles

Re: bicycles

Diane Prorak (prorak@uidaho.edu)
Sun, 3 Dec 1995 17:45:40 -0800 (PST)

Ray, I'm glad you bring up this topic of bike lanes vs. bike paths that
several city committees and the city council have recently grappled
with. In each case, the final decision of these groups (which
had representatives with diverse needs and opinions) was to recommend
bike lanes. A separate bike path is very nice in some ways, but Tom
mentioned a number of concerns with separate bike paths. Since Tom
made most of my points, I just want to add a few.

Bike paths would be ideal if they went all over town and connected up
well. I know I have thought about recommending bike paths myself as a
way to encourage many "classes" of cyclists to ride, but then I decided
that if they only get to use a path for a short distance and get "dumped" in
an inconvenient place, it may not help them. Another point: if we had
recommended a bike path on Hwy. 8, and it was on the south side, I couldn't
get from the bike path to Tri-State. The 6th Street path has caused enough
problems that our 6th St. committee recommended changing to lanes. Bicycles
traveling close to the street but in different directions on a separated path
mixed with pedestrians has not worked well.

We had this discussion again in the Mtn. View committee and recommended lanes.
Although I fully sympathize with your concerns, I think that the most
practical, economical, and seemingly overall safest plan is bike
lanes with sidewalks on both sides. Sidewalks can provide a route for
those cyclists very uncomfortable with streets but willing to travel the speed of
pedestrians (and yield to pedestrians). As Tom mentioned, conflicts with
pedestrians has been a source of complaints about mixed bike/ped paths.

I hope you will consider applying for the bicycle commission (and I hope
to encourage others on this list to apply as well). We certainly do need
a variety of views on this new committee.

Also, please remember that everyone can give input to the newest
Mountain View Road plans next Tuesday, Dec. 5 from 10 am to mall closing
at the Palouse Empire Mall (near Andrews Hallmark) and on Wed., Dec. 6
at the East Side Market Place from 12-4.

Diane

On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, RAY PANKOPF wrote:

> ** Proprietary **
>
> i just rec'd a copy of a (& thought i'd make you aware) (tho many
> probably already are) of a draft ordinance from the city establishing a
> bicycle advisory commission of 5 to 9 members.
>
> looks good to me... but i do have one concern
>
> i'd like to see a balance on such a commission. i am a "sometimes bicycle
> commuter... (not hard core), and i think that the desires of the "hardcore"
> commuters sometimes run roughshod over the needs of the community in
> general.
>
> i am speaking specifically of the desire by the "professional commuters"
> to put all bike lanes at traffic level, on the street, separated from traffic
> only by a painted white line.
>
> such "applied" bike lanes are great for retrofit situations... putting
> dedicated lanes in where none currently exist. but i object to such
> "retrofit" design solutions in new construction (ie highway 8 project and
> the proposed mountain view project)
>
> where one is starting from scratch and has the opportunity to separate
> bikes from autos (and pedestrians) it make just too much sense to do so.
> why ask for a retrofit compromise, when a permanent solution can be
> constructed? (again, it makes just too much sense)
>
> so... i hope the commission memebership has a balance of views....
>
> ...ray
>
>


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