Re: Fascists=Right Wingers -- NOT

Tom and Briana LeClaire (bri-tom@moscow.com)
Thu, 09 Apr 98 05:50:40 PDT

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> Briana,
>
> Granted the term 'Fascist' does not have widespread application in the US
> today -- skinheads and other overt racist-based groups are not the the
> mainstream of the Republican / Conservative movement today.

Thank you for that, at least!

>
> But I will not accept the double-speak that says that Fascism is
liberalism.

I didn't say that, doubly or otherwise. I said fascism is a "leftist"
movement, not "rightist."
>
> As for as the term 'far-right,' just where would you classify the
Christian
> Identity movement, the Militia movement, the Tri-Lateral Commission
> conspiracy believers, the UN-has-taken-over-the-US adherents,

I'm not sure what you mean by the 'Christian Identity movement.' If you
mean the Christian Coalition, they definitely belong on the right, and they
aren't kooks. As for the rest of 'em, definitely kooky, and to the extent
they advocate libertarianism, they are radical individualists. I believe
radical individualism is the only logical conclusion of liberalism,
classical, modern, or otherwise.

>the Holocost-never-happened-advocates, and other such paranoid extremist
groups?

The guy in the Daily News article was a Holocaust-never-happened advocate.
(Given your Boise address, I gather you didn't read it. My apologies if
I'm mistaken.) I don't know much about those guys, but that sounds racist
to me. He described himself as a fascist; hence my Letter to Ed.

> Are these part of the "tree-hugging" far left that Rush likes to lampoon?
> As far as I can see, it is the "Conservative" Republican Party (not the
> "Liberal" Democratic Party) that actively solicits the support of these
> people.
>
Not if they want to get elected, they don't. Generally. <----- CYA

> And please don't forget that the worst of the German Holocost would not
have
> occured without the complicity of "the non-governmental institutions such
as
> churches, schools, and families."
>
What's your point?

> Finally, in my opinion, the American experience has been that gay-bashing,
> anti-Semitism, racism, and similar assaults on individual freedom have
been
> more effectively addressed by our publicly-accountable governmental
> institutions than by our individual churches and other social
institutions.

There, we completely disagree. But that's another discussion. Cordially,
Briana
>
> Peace.
>
> Lou S.
>
>
> At 02:01 PM 4/8/98 PDT, you wrote:
> >To the Editor:
> >
> >In yesterday's lead story about WSU's visting self-described "mild
> >fascist," your reporter notes David Irving "has made frequent appearances
> >before far-right groups."
> >
> >What does the reporter mean? Those of us over here on the right would
> >describe ourselves as conservatives, and conservatism respects individual
> >freedoms while realizing those freedoms are best held in check by
> >non-governmental institutions such as churches, schools, and families, so
> >we can all live together somewhat peaceably.
> >
> >What on earth would a fascist have to say to conservatives? Fascism and
> >Nazism (originally the National SOCIALIST German Worker's party) believe
in
> >(among other things) collectivism, which is surely a leftist principle.
> >Would it not be more accurate to describe groups who share Irving's
> >collectivist principles as "far-left"?
> >
> >I suspect the reporter didn't think about what he was writing, because
the
> >term "far-right" is one of those empty, meaningless terms that gets
thrown
> >about carelessly. In the national consciousness, however, right-wingers
> >get associated with fascists, Nazis, and other racists.
> >
> >Please be more careful about your terminology in the future; words have
> >consequences.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Briana LeClaire
> >Moscow, ID
> >
> >
> >
>
> Lou Sternberg, Ph.D. (208)343-0555
> 5017 Bel Air loustern@primenet.com
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>