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Another Review of the Women's Rally
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- Subject: Another Review of the Women's Rally
- From: "Doug Jones" <credenda@moscow.com>
- Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:43:54 -0700
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Bob Hoffman wrote:
> Ah, Doug, how
observant of you. When attending functions of "modernists,"
>
progressives, or other sundry sinners, you observe that they are either
>
tired and cliched, or internally illogical and contradictory. And
the
> adherents are so smug in their self-conviction.
Keep in mind
that I don't do this in a "checkers condemns backgammon"
strategy. My
observations are based on these visions living up to their own
standards, not
mine.
>Indeed, nothing is more
> self-affirming than being in
the presence of a significant number of
> like-minded individuals,
gathered in common purpose--certainly you
> recognize this in your own
congregation. What cliches, what repetition,
> what poverty of
philosophy would the nonbeliever point out in your flock?
>
Well,
sure, quite right. But I'm willing to try to weed that out. Are you?
Is the
progressive tradition ever going to play something other than
"Something's
Happening Here" and reuse Nazi cliches? Credenda/Agenda is much
harder on our
own traditions than on yours. Criticism starts at home.
> Of course
you would not appeal to one ideal as the final rationalization
> for every
thought you hold, every act you perform, right? Or have these
>
progressives found religion, and are you to congratulate them for
>
that?
Actually, Christianity is much richer and more interesting than one
abstract
ideal. But I'm even more pleased to hear you think that this
Equality
mighta, sorta, couldbe a religious expression. That would be a
wonderful
step forward in the discussion, but I don't think your colaborers
will want
you to go down that path.
>And why your own failure
of logic and rationality, observing that
> the greatest mantra of the
event was Equality, and yet not understanding
> the reason the crowd
accepted the legal alternative proposed by Peg
> Hamlett--because it would
apply EQUALLY to both genders, unlike the
current
>
ordinance?
But my point gladly grants this; my criticism focused on it
being an
*imposition* of morality, just one you like. So if we agree, can we
drop all
the progressive objections against "imposing morality"? I'm
game.
>
> We should not be surprised that some voyeurs
attended the rally, looking
to
> see some titty, only to be presented
by the male posterior of the
> ordinance's most recent violator.
Surely you're not trying to make a
point
> with this? If atheists
were to attend one of your services on the premise
> of smugly viewing
idolatry, would that negate the sincerity of purpose
> among the
worshipers? Upon the passing of the collection plate,
would
they
> raise comparisons to the most recent televangelist caught
with his
> money-stuffed pants around his ankles in the company of a
prostitute?
You've missed the comparison. I didn't make the point that
the voyeurs
diminished anyone's sincerity. I made the point that the goals
of
progressives, Jerry Springer culture, and corrupt televangelists
all
coalesce. That should bother you if you want to inspire and attract
the
local community.
Doug Jones
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