Re: Objective standards: Enjoy The Beautiful Summer Weather!

[eevans@moscow.com]

> EEvans:
> 
> Do you approve of the nudity ordinance just passed by the Moscow city 
> council?  If so, do you think it involves legislating culturally relative 
> norms?  Why or why not?  You responded to the statement I made in a post on 
> vision2020 that the new Moscow nudity ordinance was just legislating 
> culturally relative norms.  Now you ask why should anyone listen to my 
> reasons?   You are listening enough to reply, so why don't you answer that 
> question?
> 
See below.

> You are merely making abstract philosophically based objections to the 
> logical difficulties ANYONE will have (including you!) who tries to PROVE 
> their ethics are correct and someone else's differing ethics are false.
>
> I never stated I think it impossible to have objective standards across all 
> times and cultures.  I merely pointed out that with SOME cultural norms, a 
> good case can be made that they are relative and subjective.  You don't 
> think there are objective standards across all cultures and times that 
> command whether women wear pink or blue dresses, or whether men wear pink or 
> blue shirts, or do you?  I think the issue of topless women is like these 
> examples.  It is a culturally relative norm, 

What you're saying is our law which allows men, and not women, to go topless is 
not *objectively* wrong.

> and yes, I do disagree with 
> people who think the ordinance does not have inconsistencies.  What makes me 
> right and others wrong?  If you would explain why my logic is incorrect on 
> this issue, we could have a debate on this matter.  Perhaps I AM WRONG!

I don't understand why you want to debate about it. If I read you correctly, 
you think arguing about toplessness is like arguing blue vs. pink dresses. I 
don't want to be inflamitory, so forgive me if it comes off that way. Why do 
you want to debate about something which you think is subjective? On an issue 
where there is no right or wrong, why do you argue that you are right and they 
are wrong? And to answer your question above, why should I get involved in it?
 
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Thanks for continuing this discussion.

Cheers,

-Ed Evans


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