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RE: 7th Graders Islam Studies Spark Hate Mail, Lawsuits
Hello Tom Hansen,
No logic twisting meant at all. And I accurately quoted you and gave you
full credit for what you stated. Hopefully I will only have to state the
above once. :)
Cheers!
John Harrell
--- Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:
> I am only going to state this once.
>
> I did not state that they did not exist. I simply stated that I was UNAWARE
> of any.
>
> Now, who is twisting the logic here, Mr. Harrell?
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Harrell [mailto:johnbharrell@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 5:01 PM
> To: thansen@moscow.com; John Nagy; vision2020
> Subject: RE: 7th Graders Islam Studies Spark Hate Mail, Lawsuits
>
>
> Hello Tom Hansen,
>
> > I can solemnly claim
> > that I am unaware of ANY public school in California whose curriculum
> > requres attendance in those courses previous described on this list.
>
> I would be careful with this kind of statement. The same logic could be
> applied as follows: just because I live in the US and I have never seen
> the liberty bell so therefore it doesnt exist (or at least I have my
> doubts).
>
> Here is a link to the actual Press Release that the legal organization
> has put out regarding this lawsuit and an excerpt from the press release:
> http://www.thomasmore.org/index.cfm?location=5&subsectionid=1&PageID=1&relea
> se=136
>
> CA School District Forces 7th Graders to 'become Muslims' for Three Weeks --
> Federal Lawsuit Filed
> Wed, Jun 26, 2002
>
> (ANN ARBOR, MI) According to a federal lawsuit filed in San Francisco on
> Monday,
> 7th grade Christian students across California were forced to pretend they
> were
> Muslims for three weeks, praying in the name of Allah the Compassionate the
> Merciful, chanting Praise to Allah, picking a Muslim name from a list to
> replace
> their own name and to stage their own Jihad via a dice game.
>
> The Thomas More Law Center, a national, public interest law firm based in
> Ann
> Arbor, Michigan, representing parents and four children, filed the lawsuit
> against
> the Byron Union School District and various school officials to stop the use
> of
> the Islam Simulation materials in the Byron/Excelsior Public School in
> Byron,
> California.
>
> At issue is a three-week segment of the seventh grade World History class
> using
> the textbook Across the Centuries published by Houghton Mifflin and
> supplemented
> by Islam simulation materials. Students were told that you and your
> classmates
> will become Muslims. To receive points toward their overall grade,
> students were
> encouraged to dress as Muslims and to use such phrases in their speech as
> Allah
> Akbar, which is Arabic for God is great. Students were required to
> memorize
> Muslim prayers, fulfill the Five Pillars of Faith and fast during lunch
> period to
> simulate fasting during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.
>
>
>
> --- Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:
> > Greetings Visionaires -
> >
> > Being a product of elementary, junior high school, and senior high school
> > public education in California (the Los Angeles City School District) and
> > knowing of several others (nieces and nephews) who are currently receiving
> > their education in the same school systems as I have, I can solemnly claim
> > that I am unaware of ANY public school in California whose curriculum
> > requres attendance in those courses previous described on this list.
> >
> > If there were the slightest hint of truth to these rumors, they would have
> > been investigated (and reported upon) by CNN, the Associated Press, United
> > Press International, or any one of a number of reliable news sources.
> >
> > If anybody on this list can provide me a link to a reliable source
> reporting
> > on this story, I will gladly read it with more trust and confidence than I
> > currently place in the World Net Daily.
> >
> > Just letting off some steam,
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Harrell [mailto:johnbharrell@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:08 PM
> > To: John Nagy; vision2020
> > Subject: Re: 7th Graders Islam Studies Spark Hate Mail, Lawsuits
> >
> >
> > Thank you John,
> >
> > So I would like to ask why should my money be forcebly taken from me
> > to indoctrinate your children into other religions and cultures in the
> > world?
> >
> > How about lets forcebly take your money from you to indoctrinate and
> > immerse my children into a complete and total Christian worldview? Would
> > that be acceptable?
> >
> > Living In His Great And Glorious Kingdom,
> > John Harrell
> >
> >
> > --- John Nagy <wallys@turbonet.com> wrote:
> > > After stripping away the hysterical and ludicrous it looks like a noble
> > > attempt is being made by the public schools to help children better
> > > understand that there are other religions and cultures in the world.
> > > That is one reason why my children attend public schools.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > John A. Nagy
> > > Moscow
> > >
> > > John Harrell wrote:
> > >
> > > > Visioneers;
> > > >
> > > > I dont know how many people on Vision2020 have seen this
> > > > yet, but I thought it worthwhile enough to show what is
> > > > being done in some government schools. Read the details
> > > > of what is being required by the 7th graders - it will
> > > > astound and amaze you.
> > > >
> > > > John Harrell
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------
> > > >
> > > > BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
> > > >
> > > > Islam studies spark hate mail, lawsuits
> > > >
> > > > Parents: 'Biased' state-adopted textbook
> > > > distorts world history in favor of Muslims
> > > >
> > > > By Diana Lynne
> > > > ) 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
> > > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26074
> > > >
> > > > Word of public-school students pretending to be
> > > > Muslims, wearing robes, simulating jihads and
> > > > memorizing verses from the Koran in a seventh-grade
> > > > California classroom touched off a firestorm of
> > > > debate, but WorldNetDaily has learned these
> > > > classroom exercises are neither isolated to one school
> > > > district nor are they anything new.
> > > >
> > > > Parents of seventh-graders across the state report
> > > > similar experiences, and one tells WND she battled
> > > > with her school district over the Islam teachings in
> > > > 1994.
> > > >
> > > > As WorldNetDaily reported last week, an article by
> > > > Assist News Service described student activities at
> > > > Excelsior School in Byron, Calif., where "students are
> > > > to pretend that they are Muslims, wear Muslim
> > > > clothing to school, stage their own jihad via a dice
> > > > game and pick out a Muslim name (to replace their
> > > > own) from a list of 30."
> > > >
> > > > ANS quoted an "outraged" teacher at Excelsior and
> > > > parent of a seventh-grader: "We can't even mention
> > > > the name of Jesus in the public schools, but ... they
> > > > teach Islam as the true religion, and students are
> > > > taught about Islam and how to pray to Allah."
> > > >
> > > > The story sparked outrage and prompted a flood of
> > > > 500 calls, WorldNetDaily was told, to the Byron
> > > > Union School District the following morning. Principal
> > > > Nancie Castro also reports receiving about 200 hate
> > > > e-mails. The story quickly became grist for talk shows
> > > > from 560 KSFO radio to the Fox News Channel's
> > > > "Hannity & Colmes" program. And in response to the
> > > > story posted on WorldNetDaily, the international
> > > > public-interest law firm The American Center for Law
> > > > and Justice is demanding Excelsior School permit
> > > > students to opt out of the course, contending it "is a
> > > > violation of the First Amendment free speech and free
> > > > exercise rights of students and violates the right of
> > > > parents to direct the education and upbringing of
> > > > their children."
> > > >
> > > > In its letter to the Byron Union School District, ACLJ
> > > > states, "We want to make sure this district knows that
> > > > it crossed the line. We also want to make sure that
> > > > other school districts don't fall into the same trap and
> > > > require students to attend courses that violate their
>
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