vision2020
RE: Enforcement
I have a sneaking suspicion that this law will be enforced as strongly as
the curent sodomy laws are.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Danahy [mailto:JDANAHY@turbonet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:30 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Cc: jmhill@moscow.com; jmack@turbonet.com; johnguy@moscow.com;
comstock@moscow.com; mthomason@avistacorp.com; pegh@uidaho.edu;
steveb@moscow.com
Subject: Enforcement
Assuming the Public Nudity Ordinance passes, how will it be enforced? Will
we have MPD officers patrolling the pool to verify compliance with bikinis
and other swim suits? Will the MPD patrol the clothing stores to make sure
no clothing is sold that is not in compliance? Will HS students be cited on
prom night when the girl's dresses are not in compliance? If this ordinance
is not universally enforced, is it legal or discriminatory?
John Danahy
jdanahy@turbonet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pam Palmer" <ppalmer@moscow.com>
To: "Saundra Lund" <sslund@moscow.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com>
Cc: <jmhill@moscow.com>; <jmack@turbonet.com>; <johnguy@moscow.com>;
<comstock@moscow.com>; <mthomason@avistacorp.com>; <pegh@uidaho.edu>;
<steveb@moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: City Council Update
> In response to Saundra Lund's post last night, here's a brief summary of
the
> Council meeting.
>
> The Council passed a Public Nudity ordinance on first reading, which means
> they will consider it again at their next Council meeting. Three Council
> members, Steve Busch, JoAnn Mack, and Jack Hill, wanted more time to work
on
> some of the language in the ordinance, which a first reading provides
them.
> Two Council members, Mike Thomason and John Guyer, wanted to pass the
> ordinance as it was presented last night and pass it under suspension of
the
> rules requiring three separate readings. They voted against the ordinance
> on first reading (presumably to protest that it wasn't being passed last
> night.) Mayor Comstock, although he couldn't vote last night, expressed
his
> interest to see the ordinance passed last night as well. (The Mayor only
> votes in the event of a tie.)
>
> The applicable section of the ordinance they passed under first reading
> reads:
>
> SECTION 1: That Moscow City Code Title 10, Chapter 1, Section 16(A) (B),
> and (C) be, and the same is hereby amended as follows:
>
> A. No person shall willfully expose to view or fail to cover completely
and
> opaquely any portion of such person's anus, cleft of the buttocks,
genitals,
> any portion of the pubescent female breast below the point immediately
above
> the top of the areola on or in any public place or place open to public
> view.
>
> B. It shall be a defense to exposure of failure to cover the pubescent
> female breast below the point immediately above the top of the areola that
> the person was in the act of breastfeeding at the time of such exposure or
> failure to cover.
>
> C. This Section shall not apply to a person who is prepubescent.
>
> For the full ordinance, contact Moscow City Clerk, Chris Bainbridge
> <cbainbridge@ci.moscow.id.us>. Or check out the city web site....
>
> The City Council chambers were full last night, with people speaking for
and
> against the ordinance as presented. KLEW TV was videotaping the
proceedings
> and there were several newspaper reporters in the audience (including the
> Argonaut), so check out local papers for their versions of the meeting.
>
> Most of the work for this ordinance was probably done in 1998, when the
> Council was considering it at that time, so I'm not surprised that it was
> fairly easy to pull it together in such a short time.
>
> I appreciate Saundra's comments regarding breastfeeding. Our society
still
> has a long way to go to create a nurturing and positive atmosphere that
> encourages mothers to breastfeed their children for the first several
years
> of their life. In over eight years as a childbirth educator, I heard many
> stories about women who were shunned by family or friends because of their
> decision to breastfeed, or because they continued to breastfeed beyond the
> time that other people thought was acceptable.
>
> Let's get to work.
> Pam Palmer
>
> P.S. - It's a good idea that Saundra sent a copy of her post to the City
> Council. I found out yesterday that the MV2020 comments aren't considered
> by the City Council unless the email is addressed to the City Council as
> well. I ended up forwarding every MV2020 post on the topless issue to the
> City Clerk yesterday (before the Administrative committee meeting) and
asked
> her to make sure that they were presented to the Council for their
> consideration. She forwarded them to Gary Riedner, the City Supervisor,
who
> was going to make the decision on what to do with all the comments.
>
> In the future, if you want your comment to count for something, send a
copy
> to all the City Council and the Mayor. Since it's the Council members
that
> make the decisions, I did not include the emails for the City attorney and
> the City Supervisor in this message. Their plates are usually pretty
full,
> and it's the Mayor who will direct work assignments to the City
Supervisor,
> who in turn directs work to the City Attorney.
>
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