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RE: News from inside the FL recount: A Democrats perspective
There is a place for write in... look on CNN... they have the ballot on the
web.
Shahab...
-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Todd [mailto:forester@moscow.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:33 AM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: News from inside the FL recount: A Democrats perspective
Interesting, especially about the Palm Beach County ballots. Also
interesting was some comments my wife heard from some UoI law students. They
couldn't find a place on the ballot to write in Ralph Nader's name.
Obviously these students didn't bother reading the instructions (how many
times have we experienced this with our own children). In the case of the
Palm Beach County Ballots there is a big fat arrow pointing to the punch
hole. What is so confusing about that?
Cliff Todd
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Cooke <scooke@uidaho.edu>
To: Vision2020 Listserver <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:54 AM
Subject: News from inside the FL recount: A Democrats perspective
> Visionaries,
> FYI
> Here are some new ground-level details from the Florida
> recount.
> The message was originally sent to a Wesleyan alum
> newsgroup. The author is obviously a Democrat, so if you're a Republican
> (or "other"), please ignore those opinions.
>
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> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 03:44:25 EST
> From: StevenM820@aol.com
> Reply-To: weschat alumni mailing list <weschat-
> l@lyris.wesleyan.edu>
> To: weschat alumni mailing list <weschat-l@lyris.wesleyan.edu>
> Subject: Florida recount info
>
> Hello again,
> Thought you'd like another update from the inside. I spent much of Wed.
as
> the Palm Beach County Dem. Party observer in the recount room at the Palm
> Beach County Supervisor of Elections. Also present were lawyers and a
> staffer representing GWB, several lawyers representing Gore,
representatives
> of the Reform Party, the Fla. Democratic and Republican Parties, the DNCC,
> US Rep. Clay Shaw and his Dem. challenger Elaine Bloom (this race is
still
> contested), a Dem. State Senator and a Dem. State Representative from the
> County.
> The recount was supposed to begin at 1:30, was delayed until 4:00 and
ended
> at 11:30. Our role basically consisted of sitting in a cramped room
> watching five staffers run stacks of puch card ballots through counting
> machines. Pretty dull all in all until it was discovered that one precinct
> had not been counted in full. This resulted in a net gain for Al of about
> 360 votes. The Bush boys lost their smug attitudes and began huddling and
> whispering every few minutes.
> The absentees came through for Al too. When one votes at the polls in
> Florida, they provide a punch instrument which, if used correctly,
> completely perforates the ballot. However, absentee voters often use a
pen
> or other implement which does not fully perforate the card. This was
> apparent to us from the fact that over 10,000 voters in the County, about
> 2.2% of the overall turnout did not make any choice in the Presidential
> race, but did vote in the US Senate or Congressional races. We theorized
> that many voters had partially perforated the card, but the machines
weren't
> reading them. The more times the ballots are run through the counting
> machine, the more likely the loosened chits fall off.
> When the absentees were counted, 221 ballots that had previously
registered
> no vote now did show a vote in the Presidential race. These went
> overwhelmingly for Gore, leading to some whooping and high fiving from our
> side. The Bushies really lost it at this point and got a little hostile
> with the staffers, which in turn elicited some harsh responses from the
> assembled masses.
> Gore's net gain in the County was 643. Word from other counties is that
> Gore closed the 1,700 deficit by over 1,200. Only half of the counties
> conducted their recounts on Wednesday. The rest are on Thursday.
> The bigger problem is that the ballot in Palm Beach County, which differs
in
> its layout from the ballots elsewhere in the State, is illegal for several
> reasons. Florida statutes specifically mandate the precise layout of the
> ballot and the order of candidates. The law was not followed. Bush's
name
> was first, with Buchanan below him and Gore third. This is completely
> improper, as well as the fact that the law requires the names to be placed
> to the left with the punch holes to the right of the candidates' names.
On
> this ballot, some names were on the right and some on the left, with all
of
> the punch holes in the middle. It was difficult to line up the name with
> the correct hole.
> Moreover, 19,000 ballots were disqualified because they voted for two or
> more candidates. This is a direct result of the confusing layout of the
> names on the ballot. This represents over 4% of the total ballots. It
was
> as high as 15% in some predominantly African-American precincts and about
> 10% in some precincts with large numbers of Jewish retirees. The Gore
vote
> in many of these precincts was over 90%.
> This explains the networks' exit polling which reflected voters' belief
that
> they had voted for Gore, but in fact their ballots had been disqualified.
> This led to the initial awarding of Florida to Gore.
> Folks, the bottom line is that if the names on the ballot were properly
> situated Gore would have had an additional 11-13,000 vote margin in this
> County, and the election would be over. We have done a precinct by
precinct
> analysis of where the disqualified votes came from. By attributing the
same
> percentage of the vote Gore obtained in those precincts to the
disqualified
> ballots, Gore would be winning Florida by at least 10,000 votes. In other
> words, Gore has actually won the election both in the popular vote and in
> the electoral vote, but he may well still lose it.
> You should also be aware that other large counties in the State
disqualified
> about one half of one percent of their ballots for casting two or more
votes
> in the Presidential race. In Palm Beach County it was 4.4%.
> Lastly, don't expect the recount to be over on Thursday, as the media is
> stating. Legal actions are underway. The next question, will a judge
order
> a re-vote just in Palm Beach County with a new ballot?
> Steven Meyer '86
>
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