Yes I was on the Youth Center Task Force and am just waiting for
Parks and Rec to make their recommendations to decide what my
next project will be. But, yes I plan on working at bringing
Youth Outreach one way or the other to the community.
You see Donna, the thing is that I don't want to "whine or
complain" as you so kindly put it. But, I think that one of the
biggest harms in America today is none of us will talk about it.
No one wants it out in the open. Like spousal and child abuse,
bring it out of the closet and talk about. The more it's talk
about the more people will maybe be motivated to make change.
All I know is the monsters in the closet usually disappeared
when the light of day was upon us. With open discussion and
talk about these issues, maybe the light of day will eventually
shine through. But, at least some of us shouldn't be afraid to
talk about what the problems are. It is in talking we find
solutions...........hope there some wonderful "brainstorming
individuals out there who are working on this."
Besides I'd rather talk about the problems and possible solutions,
than sitting around pretending the problems don't exist. Also maybe
some of the people who have been hurt by, or on the receiving end of
some of this unethical "power playing" will want to come forward and
stop it, or maybe the community as whole will decide they don't want
to be looked at this way (after all we're talking a lot of
professionals affected by the behavior of a few) maybe they'll take
the initiative to prove they have professional ethics (at last) and
do the right thing! You never know Donna, after all....the Lord does
move in mysterious ways!!!!
Have a good thought, take care, and remember talking is not
necessarily complaining or whining...it can just be talking!!!
Putting the issues on the table and seeing what comes of it. After
all I wasn't born blind, mute or dumb why should I act like I was?
Joan B
Date: Thu,
19 Mar 1998 09:56:25 -0800 (PST) From: Donna Anderson
<ande9584@uidaho.edu> To: Joan Berney
<JBERNEY@novell.uidaho.edu> Cc: Bert Cross
<bcross@uidaho.edu>, vision2020@moscow.com Subject: Re: Prison
Alternatives
Hi JoanB,
That was some letter! Interesting and perhaps in line with rumors. I
couldn't help but notice that you sound helpless in a sea of sharks. You
have a strong voice that could be used to serve your God and your
community in action.
Have you considered organizing a youth outreach program yourself? It
sounds like you have the resources or knowledge of resources to get
something like this off the ground.
Let the bad guys be whatever it is, there is little you can do to change
others, especially when you are in opposition... I've learned first hand
with Senator Larry Craig's obsession to sell our public lands to the
highest bidder. The whole notion of convincing people like Craig of a
need for wilderness preservation is a waste of time. For me, I've found it
best to work with my own potential and not waste a minute worrying or
whining about any sharks. Biodiversity reigns supreme, the sharks are
here to stay.
It would be great if you could turn your anger into something positive. I
imagine that you would be quite effective if you were to direct this
energy.
Think about it. You might have a ton of fun getting a youth outreach group
off the ground.... what a positive contribution to our community it would
be.
/donna
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Publications Specialist http://www.uidaho.edu/~ande9584
Save Our National Heritage.
Support Idaho Conservation League and Cove/Mallard Coalition.
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Joan Berney wrote:
> One very good way to combat overcrowding in prisons is to ensure that
> you have an excellent youth outreach program. Here in Moscow you
> have all the elements to make an excellent Youth Outreach program at
> very little cost to the community. You just need to utilize the
> resources already available in the community and create a few other
> types of outreach out of what also already exists. Why not start
> helping with the problems before it becomes an offense someone needs
> to be imprisoned for.
>
> Also, in the drug-related areas......the war on drugs is the biggest
> crock and waste of money that ever came out of the 60's. Come on!
> lets get real! We are talking billions of dollars spent fighting
> drugs.....yet in communities all over this country (including Moscow)
> Judges, lawyers, mayors, teachers, law enforcement officers,
> doctors, etc. people from all walks of life are involved in drug
> activity, are making their fortunes off the taxpayers on both sides
> of the coin....using, selling, distributing, and supposedly working
> to stop it all.
>
> All the thousands of dollars spent on DARE to prevent drug use by
> youth means nothing if judges and prominent members of the community
> are using and getting away with it.
>
> So in reality, in America....only the poor go to jail for drug
> related crimes......so who are we kidding.....just ourselves
> again!!!!
>
> But then what can you expect from people in a country where too many
> will fall for the flash in the pan of "Clinton" and make him
> president (not just once but twice). We've lost touch with
> reality.....we claim to fight the good battle and then work twice as
> hard to defeat what we are paying to fight for by not doing the right
> thing.
>
> So as long as judges are snorting are snorting the dust, the business
> men are building their businesses with drug money, and the law
> enforcement is spending our money to look like they are fighting the
> war on drugs, we the taxpayer and citizen, again, take it in the
> wallet!!!!!
>
> You know just once I'd like to have that open check book politicians,
> lawyers, judges, and government workers have. Just one trip to the
> grocery store with that open check book would give me a thrill!!!!
> Just one bill paying month to have that open check book would be
> nice! But as a woman who works in a profession that has been
> discriminately held to lower than should be wages, because that's the
> way things are, who has watched people get rich in the war on
> drugs....on both sides. I'm just a little sick of the whole darn
> thing!
>
> I don't know about anyone else but quite frankly I'm tired of getting
> taken to the bank by politicians, the government (who gives me no
> representation) and the judicial system that is just a racket (those
> judges spend more time fining people to add to their retirement fund
> than doing the right thing that would help heal people in the
> community - ex. a couple brought in to court for domestic
> violence...rather than sentencing them to go to an anger control
> class and come back with a certificate showing completion of this
> class, they were fined $1,000 they didn't have - because a good
> portion of any fine goes to take care our already overpaid judges
> retirement fund). These are judges who have not lived up to their
> commitment to the community in the last 50 years they've taken our
> money and done very little to use their knowledge, expertise and/or
> position to make positive changes in the community or the country as
> a whole.
>
> Sorry, but I see the judges and lawyers as nothing but a blight on
> society. Playing their little games and costing us all "way too much
> money"....and they wonder why they're getting the bad rap all the
> time. Well Perhaps it's because they deserve to get the bad rap!!!!
>
> The regular citizen can only hope there is a GOD, because at least we
> know that if not in this world in the next these jokers will get
> what's coming to them....but once in a while wouldn't it be nice to
> just see true justice and ethics being practiced by the local
> professionals or any professionals for that matter. You say but
> there are professionals in this community that are ethical. Sorry!
> I question that? As long as it is a known fact that a judge who is
> using and abusing sits on the bench, every professional aware of
> this, every law enforcement officer who knows about it has become
> unethical for the simple fact that they have allowed this person to
> remain in a position of power when he shouldn't be.....and we know it
> goes a lot deeper than just the judge....but since investigative
> reporting hasn't been invented in Moscow yet, the community can
> pretend to sit in ignorance of what is happening around them.
>
> So as long as the justice system remains in the hands of unethical
> professionals where money decides your sentence, where law
> enforcement ignores the crimes of the powerful and only harrasses the
> poor, and the "righteous" professionals who work with the unethical
> allow it to continue, because "they can't be bothered with doing the
> right thing" we will show the world what a "joke" the word "justice"
> is in America.
>
> JoanB
>
> From: "Bert Cross" <bcross@uidaho.edu>
> To: Greg Meyer <klewprod@valley-internet.net>
> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:09:43 +0000
> Subject: Re: Prison Alternatives
> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
> Priority: normal
>
> I'm sorry I haven't been able to respond to your (Greg Meyer's)
> request for information at the UU Church forum on prisons sooner.
>
> One thing that seemed to come out of it is that we are putting too
> many people in prisons for too many reasons and at the rate we are
> going, the cost will be prohibitive. We need to find alternatives.
>
> Here are a few figures:
>
> On the average, the Nation's incarcerated population grew by 7.8%
> each year since 1985. During this period the state and federal
> prison population grew by 8.2% annually, while the local jail
> population increased by 6.9% each year.
>
> At yearend 1985, l in every 319 US residents were incarcerated; by
> midyear 1996, that rate grew to 1 in every 163.
>
> Since 1990 correctional authorities have had to find beds for an
> additional 482,238 inmates or about 1,700 new inmates each week.
>
> During 1996 the number of female prisoners rose by 9.1%, nearly
> double the increase of male prisoners (4.7%). At year end, 74,730
> women were in State and Federal prisons--6.3% of inmates.
>
> On December 31, l996, state prisons were operating at between 16% and
> 24% above capacity, while Federal prisons were operating at 25 % over
> capacity.
>
> We are putting more people in jail and keeping them there longer.
> More prisoners are women or elderly and have drug problems, AIDS, or
> other chronic health conditions. This means that the cost of running
> prisons is bound to increase, even if we slow down on the number we
> put in jail. Offenders who are in prison for drug-related crimes are
> more likely to have serious health problems.
>
> A major theme that came out of the forum was that we need to work
> harder at rehabilitation and trying to prevent crime and people from
> becoming criminals before incarceration becomes necessary. There's
> no easy answer.
>
> Anyone who has further interest in this topic will find an excellent
> source at <http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/> on the web.
>
> Bert Cross
> 1448 Borah Ave.
> Moscow, ID 83843
> Phone: (208) 882-7660
> email: bcross@uidaho.edu
>