just so everything is clear.  I didn't say that "not one of the
incubator businesses would be able to afford to build a building
there."  I have no idea if others are or are not.  I did say: "It's
MUCH more than a company coming out of the incubator can really do."
-- meaning upfront costs and long-term debt of this type (ie.
real-estate) are not generally associated with the capital structure
of young businesses.
The rest of your analysis is interesting.
johnt
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>>>>> "Bill" == Bill London <london@wsunix.wsu.edu> writes:
    > Now I am really confused.  Perhaps we can discuss these issues
    > at the 2020 meeting at Susan's tonight (monday at 7pm).  My
    > recollection from the 2020-sponsored discussion with Larry Hodge
    > last weekend is that the EDC expects the business park tenants
    > to build and own their own buildings there.  I recall Hodge
    > specifically responding to a question about his lack of support
    > for low-income housing by saying that he supported the business
    > park (and not the low-income housing) because the business
    > owners would be also the owners of the buildings at the site.  I
    > think we all thought the builder and the tenant at the business
    > park would be the same person.  Now, we have John Teeter's
    > message (copied below).  Teeter, founder of FSR (which I
    > understand is one of the 3 companies Hodge says is so anxious to
    > move to the business park), says that he was asked about
    > building a building at the business park and that he replied
    > that not one of the incubator businesses would be able to afford
    > to build a building there.  There seems to be a contradiction
    > here.  Do the incubator tenants want to build at the business
    > park or not?  Can any of them afford to do that?  The next issue
    > Teeter raises is: who is going to build those buildings? The
    > people of Moscow through this "slick" tax-incentive system are
    > providing the infrastructure (roads, landscaping, a park,
    > utilities, etc) that will make the site very attractive, and
    > then the individual lots (about an acre in size) will be sold.
    > To anyone, not just incubator tenants.  At the 2020 discussion,
    > Hodge mentioned two restrictions on such buyers--they must build
    > there within two years and they must abide by rstrictive
    > covenants to keep the park attractive.  Neither of those
    > restrictions would keep someone from building at the park, even
    > customizing that building for FSR or any incubator tenant, and
    > then leasing it to FSR or anyone else.  As Teeter correctly
    > notes, that builder would then stand to make some real money.
    > By buying land at a price held artificially low by the business
    > park plan, but by leasing the building at market value, the
    > builder (especially any builder who is ready to begin as soon as
    > the business park opens to satisfy the demand for space from the
    > incubator tenants) would make a very hefty profit.  Perhaps
    > someone can explain this all to me.  BL
    > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995
    > 09:50:24 +0800 From: John Teeter <johnt@fsr.com> To:
    > london@wsunix.wsu.edu Cc: prorak@uidaho.edu,
    > vision2020@uidaho.edu Subject: Re: Business Park
    > actually, maybe there's a different issue that might be of
    > interest.
    > as I understand this b/park thing... the infrastructure comes
    > from the tax stuff, but the actual building don't.  When I (as
    > FSR and a current incubator tenant) was approached re: moving
    > there, the question was how would I ever justify building a
    > structure, even if the infrastructure already existed.  It's
    > MUCH more than a company coming out of the encubator can really
    > do.  So who is really going to build the buildings?  these are
    > the guys that are going to get the long term benifit of the park
    > as they will be getting subsidized infrastructure, while the
    > tenants (which is what we-fsr would be) would be paying market
    > prices.....
    > anyway, as-far-as fsr was concerned, the whole thing was too far
    > in the future and a non-issue anyway.....
    > johnt
    > ================
>>>>> "Bill" == Bill London <london@wsunix.wsu.edu> writes:
    >> Diane- I echo your ambivalence--and the positive points about
    >> the biz park that you list.  However, the message that I tried
    >> to give to the council (which was of course ignored by all) was
    >> that Moscow residents (as in voters in general)--NOT a core
    >> group of pro-development EDC members and cronies on
    >> council--needs to decide what they want Moscow to look like in
    >> the future.  BL
    >> On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Diane Prorak wrote:
    >>> A few thoughts on some positive aspects of the proposed
    >>> business park:
    >>> 
    >>> 1) As Ray pointed out, the land proposed for development was
    >>> already zoned motor business.  So while I agree that Hwy. 8
    >>> traffic is a problem that really should be worked on before
    >>> development, the alternative, in my opinion, of motor
    >>> businesses was worse in terms of traffic.  I would very feel
    >>> differently about this project if it were outside the city on
    >>> land zoned for ag/forestry or something like that.
    >>> 
    >>> 2) Diversification: We tell timber-dependent communities that
    >>> they need to diversify to fit the changing world.  I think
    >>> state government, which includes universities, will be
    >>> changing also -- probably downsizing.  Moscow probably does
    >>> need to diversify some more in this climate.
    >>> 
    >>> 3) Jobs for spouses: To attract and retain people at the
    >>> universities, spouses often need good jobs.  A business park
    >>> could provide some of those.  This particular proposal isn't
    >>> so big as to create a huge influx of people, though I will
    >>> admit that future actions could lead to more growth than we
    >>> bargained for.
    >>> 
    >>> 4) The proposal includes some possible accommodations for
    >>> bicyclists/pedestrians that would never come about through a
    >>> motor business.  The sidewalks and linear park could help to
    >>> improve non-motorized use on the Troy highway.
    >>> 
    >>> I've had mixed feelings on this issue (especially the
    >>> financing), but I think it also has merit as I've mentioned
    >>> above.  I just wish they could be improving the "blighted"
    >>> area.
    >>> 
    >>> Diane Prorak prorak@uidaho.edu
    >>> 
    >>> 
    >>> 
    >>>